Post-Game Talk: Caps vs Flyers 7pm Nov 6

[txpd]

5th in division with games In hand. When other teams catch up with be 6th or 7th.

no surprise. We were a bubble team at start of year with this roster - but team is being managed very bad too.

Now, now. Just today we discussed the young players getting to play and losing a few games and struggling to make the playoffs is good. Now because they lost a game people should be fired and criticized. So, they need to win and losing isnt ok or no?

 

[kicksavedave]

I think one or 2 of the kids should have gotten an opportunity bat the end.
They earned it.

Everyone here thinks that.

 

[895]

Now, now. Just today we discussed the young players getting to play and losing a few games and struggling to make the playoffs is good. Now because they lost a game people should be fired and criticized. So, they need to win and losing isnt ok or no?

The kids didn't cost them the game. Shesry, Eller, Hagelin, Schultz did.

Your post doesn't make sense.

 

[twabby]

Now, now. Just today we discussed the young players getting to play and losing a few games and struggling to make the playoffs is good. Now because they lost a game people should be fired and criticized. So, they need to win and losing isnt ok or no?

They lost in large part because Laviolette didn’t play the kids enough. Even Alan May is criticizing the coaching tonight for this reason.

 

[Ovie's Neighbor]

I hope GMBM has a chat with PL. This is a great chance to see what the kids can do and how that will inform the trade deadline later this year. He can’t just bury them on the bench.

 

[maacoshark]

This season is a good example of why a player like Vrana got so frustrated under PL. The kids played a great game but who gets rewarded at the end? Players who haven’t done shit. Great way to kill motivation.

That is a very poor example. Vrana had 3 different coaches while he was here and each coach had the same problem. He refused to play within the system and he paid for it by getting benched several times.
The youngsters we have now are playing within the system. I haven't really seen any of them floating around. They all come back to backcheck. Vrana didn't do that very often. I've also noticed that they have covered the point for a pinching dman. They have also been disciplined with the forecheck, not getting all 3 forwards down low. The 3rd forward stays high.

 

[TJHKY]

 

[SpinningEdge]

Looks like 100% of people want to see more of-agree with an all rookie line!

 

[kicksavedave]

I hope GMBM has a chat with PL. This is a great chance to see what the kids can do and how that will inform the trade deadline later this year. He can’t just bury them on the bench.

I imagine a veteran, Cup winning coach like PL would take BMac coming in to the room and telling him who to play exactly like Art Howe in Moneyball.

 

[Langway]

Laviolette isn't a rebuild type coach. He's not going to change his stripes and suddenly become more broad-minded and patient. His Guys need to continue to earn the benefit of the doubt, though. It can't be unconditional. Too often they're not giving it and he has to adjust. It's not easy since, like I said, he doesn't have an alternate second line to go with due to Eller's play vs. the checking line. He's not going to be giving McMichael 18 minutes a night or something. But there's got to be more a forward needs to do than bare minimum veteran defensive effort and simple positioning. Much more.

I'm not sure they need to add another forward but Lapierre should be sent to the Q soon. They probably don't have another scoring-line type in Hershey so some sort of fringe Sprong type would fit.

 

[pman25]

 

[txpd]

The kids didn't cost them the game. Shesry, Eller, Hagelin, Schultz did.

Your post doesn't make sense.

It makes to me because I am inclined to agree with what I think. You feel differently. Thats fine. Lappy and McMichael played 12+. Thats an incease.

Meanwhile, I dont see Orlov in your list of losers. He got used up for the winning goal. Is that because we blame the goaltending?

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

Eller has taken a step and a half back this year unfortunately

I had suggested he be made available in expansion draft to jettison his salary and was roasted by this board. I felt a regression was underway and still believe that.

 

[max21]

Don’t want to peak too early anyways!

 

[illpucks]

I think the issue is the team needs an Oshie like presence. And the clone of Oshie is Mantha. And both are out.

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

So the three kids were among the top 4 players. Lady take note.

 

[txpd]

If you watch his interviews, you have to question how he has any enthusiasm and motivating players.

Then you could guess that what he brings isn't rah rah enthusiasum or motivation skills. Its clearly something else. Its clearly something else that is so hard to come by that one new head coach after another wants him.

In a league where assistant coaches are a dime a dozen and head coaches want their own people, like Laviolette never works without McCarthy, each new Caps head coach wants to keep him rather than bring someone that would be easily loyal to him. Why is that? I have my theory but its just a guess.

The short answer would be that somehow he is irreplaceable. Isn't that a kick in the head?

 

[Corby78]

So the three kids were among the top 4 players. Lady take note.

along with JC

 

[txpd]

the clone of Oshie is Mantha.

Have you lost your mind?? Oshie and Mantha have next to nothing in common. Get out of town

 

[SpinningEdge]

Now, now. Just today we discussed the young players getting to play and losing a few games and struggling to make the playoffs is good. Now because they lost a game people should be fired and criticized. So, they need to win and losing isnt ok or no?

Young players aren’t the reason they’re losing. So yes, play the young kids - but still play to win.

 

[illpucks]

Have you lost your mind?? Oshie and Mantha have next to nothing in common. Get out of town

They have a similar effect.

Mantha is a player that has given an added boost. He's not a superstar or even great but he gives that added boost somehow.

When Caps are missing that they are sluggish. Oshie is another guy like that but is better player than Mantha.

Joel Ward for a bit did this very well. Problem is the Caps are short on these added boost players.

 

[pman25]

McMichael created that goal with a nice push off the rush. Maybe we could use that type of zone entry on the powerplay but what do I know

 

[kicksavedave]

I liked the Joe B/Locker moment.

Also, Montreal out shot Vegas 20-1 in the first period of their game.

And Vegas won 5-2 with 2 ENGs

 

[txpd]

McMichael created that goal with a nice push off the rush. Maybe we could use that type of zone entry on the powerplay but what do I know

That worked because the Caps werent attempting a zone entry against 4 player across the blue line. There was room. Seriously, if that play is open Kuznetsov takes it EVERYtime.

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

Peter needs to wake the fu*k up.

His boys aren’t delivering (Dowders lines, Eller, etc). Give the young guys more ice time.

BMac needs to get on the phone to get some support.

 

[troyerlaw]

They have a similar effect.

Mantha is a player that has given an added boost. He's not a superstar or even great but he gives that added boost somehow.

When Caps are missing that they are sluggish. Oshie is another guy like that but is better player than Mantha.

Joel Ward for a bit did this very well. Problem is the Caps are short on these added boost players.

I don’t see Mantha and Oshie as remotely similar. Oshie gives maximum effort, creates plays, scores, throws hits, goes to high-traffic areas, can play center or wing. He is a gamer. Mantha is really none of that IMO. Even as a top guy in Detroit, getting lots of TOI and PP1 time, his best season goal total is 25. To me he is a borderline bust, for a 1st-round pick.