Confirmed with Link: Canucks Extend Gudbranson (3 years, $4M AAV)

[MS]

Issue is this is bad if they do nothing else. If this move lets them trade Tanev then it maybe okay. Del Zotto is just blocking other dman and needs to be moved if possible. We cannot have 4 vet dmen and be this bad. They need more moves.

How could signing a mediocre #6 defender possibly allow them to move their #1 defender?

This is like saying that re-signing Brendan Dowd would allow the team to trade Bo Horvat.

 

[Pip]

For all you naysayers out there who are screamy bloody murder how much do you think that this guy would have gotten on the open market as an UFA? While I am not the hugest fan of this guy he has been better of late and is one of the few guys on our team who will drop the gloves to stick up for a teammate. Overall 3 years at 4 mill a year is not that bad. No NTC as well is decent - for what it would have taken to replace this guy on the open market not a bad deal at all.........despite what all the armchair beer league experts in here might say.

Open market UFA contracts are almost always a terrible overpayment that teams regret later.

 

[RobertKron]

lol

 

[Bobby Digital]

How are Gudbranson and Tanev related at all? Tanev is a top pairing defenseman while Gudbranson is a #6 guy on the worst defense in the NHL. If the Canucks trade Tanev with the hopes that Gudbranson is going to fill his shoes they might as well not even play the next 2-3 seasons.

Benning probably thinks Gudbranson is a top 4 dman.

 

[Jyrki]

Gud's replacement level at everything he does except hitting. We're paying 2nd pairing money for someone who should be sitting in the press box with a healthy roster. The worst part of this deal is that Benning got a long look at his black hole play and stomach-turning stats and still thought "no, the past and the present have nothing to do with the future".

 

[MS]

For all you naysayers out there who are screamy bloody murder how much do you think that this guy would have gotten on the open market as an UFA? While I am not the hugest fan of this guy he has been better of late and is one of the few guys on our team who will drop the gloves to stick up for a teammate. Overall 3 years at 4 mill a year is not that bad. No NTC as well is decent - for what it would have taken to replace this guy on the open market not a bad deal at all.........despite what all the armchair beer league experts in here might say.

The fact that some other dinosaur GM would have given this bad player a huge contract doesn't mean it's a good idea for us to.

Like, the fact that David Clarkson turned down even more money from Edmonton didn't make him a good signing for Toronto.

 

[HelloCookie]

I don't think that the answer to the team's overall "softness" is to sign a guy for 3 years with that cap hit. That could be addressed by signing, for example, Michael Haley for 0,825 per season for one season to begin with. Guddy's contract alone isn't the end of the world but the general trend with signing huge contracts for "specialists" debilitates the team as a whole.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I just don't get how anyone can justify paying a bottom pairing defenseman $4M per year.

Well one of the better GM's in the league of one of the better teams parted with a 3rd round pick in order to get a player similar to Gudbranson this off-season. Like it or not, there's a market for this type of player.

 

[MS]

3 years at $4 million

With no NMC or NTC.

Had it been 4 years it would have averaged out to about $3.65 million maybe $3.75 million.

With a lack of RHD on the current roster and in the organization this is far from a terrible signing

But I am sure that won't stop the histrionics and overly dramatic statements about how and why it's terrible that Benning couldn't even throw him out the door for a measly 3rd.

I applaud this signing because it's actually not bad. You may now throw your tantrums.

Alex Biega is a better RH defender at both ends of the rink that costs $600k and who we'll let walk for free this summer.

 

[brokenhole]

How could signing a mediocre #6 defender possibly allow them to move their #1 defender?

This is like saying that re-signing Brendan Dowd would allow the team to trade Bo Horvat.

They already did that with Granlund making McCann and a high second and a 4th for Real Gud, the circle of crap just keeps rollin on.

 

[Pip]

He’s Alberts with more pedigree

 

[arttk]

For all you naysayers out there who are screamy bloody murder how much do you think that this guy would have gotten on the open market as an UFA? While I am not the hugest fan of this guy he has been better of late and is one of the few guys on our team who will drop the gloves to stick up for a teammate. Overall 3 years at 4 mill a year is not that bad. No NTC as well is decent - for what it would have taken to replace this guy on the open market not a bad deal at all.........despite what all the armchair beer league experts in here might say.

Well there was a large chance that he would’ve gottten Cody Franson ed. So using that as an argument is pretty inaccurate.
The market is no longer rewarding bottom paring guys like Gubranson big money because guys like that are not useful.

 

[RobertKron]

Well one of the better GM's in the league of one of the better teams parted with a 3rd round pick in order to get a player similar to Gudbranson this off-season. Like it or not, there's a market for this type of player.

So then they should have been able to get a decent pick for him at the deadline, which is a lot more useful to a “rebuilding” team with a superstar drafting GM than a bad bottom pairing defenseman.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

Would have rather traded him looking at the prices so far. Holden and Kempny both got 3rds and instead Benning wasted an opportunity.

 

[Intoewsables]

Luke Schenn had to wait until the end of July to get a cheap 2 year deal from Arizona of all teams, but yeah, Gudbranson was totally going to get way more than this on the open market.

 

[Pip]

Part of this is probably to avoid the optics of letting him walk or trading him for less that what we gave up for him. It’s not right but this is how they think

 

[racerjoe]

This isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be... but it is still terrible. Thats how bad this management team is...

 

[drax0s]

How are Gudbranson and Tanev related at all? Tanev is a top pairing defenseman while Gudbranson is a #6 guy on the worst defense in the NHL. If the Canucks trade Tanev with the hopes that Gudbranson is going to fill his shoes they might as well not even play the next 2-3 seasons.

Yeah, - I'm not claiming he'd fill Tanev's role at all, he's much worse. I'm just saying that signing Gudbranson might allow Benning to think he could actually move Tanev. Him and Edler are the only defensemen we'd actually get a moderate return on.

I actually just want to get max value for our declining assets right now.

 

[Mogo]

Not trolling. But I say traded to Panthers within a year with 50% retained for McCann

 

[Peter Griffin]

So then they should have been able to get a decent pick for him at the deadline, which is a lot more useful to a “rebuilding” team with a superstar drafting GM than a bad bottom pairing defenseman.

I agree, I would've rather they moved him for whatever at the deadline. Was just addressing the question of who would pay a bottom pairing defenseman $4M. There are lots of teams out there doing just that.

 

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Here are all NHL defensemen currently under contract for 3.5-4.5M/Yr

57. Anton Strålman		NTC	UFA	31	D	Right		57	4	10	14	20	21:08	-	-	-	-	-		$4,500,000	$4,500,000
58. Jason Demers		M-NTC	UFA	29	D	Right		56	4	13	17	-7	21:29	-	-	-	-	-		$5,400,000	$4,500,000
59. Shayne Gostisbehere			UFA	24	D	Left		55	10	35	45	13	21:23	-	-	-	-	-		$6,000,000	$4,500,000
60. Nikita Zaitsev			UFA	26	D	Right		44	4	6	10	14	22:35	-	-	-	-	-		$4,500,000	$4,500,000
61. Christopher Tanev		M-NTC	UFA	28	D	Right		38	2	9	11	9	19:45	-	-	-	-	-		$5,000,000	$4,450,000
62. Jack Johnson			UFA	31	D	Left		59	3	5	8	-12	19:34	-	-	-	-	-		$5,000,000	$4,357,143
63. Brendan Smith		M-NTC	UFA	29	D	Left		44	1	7	8	2	17:10	-	-	-	-	-		$5,000,000	$4,350,000
64. Dmitry Kulikov		M-NTC	UFA	27	D	Left		54	3	8	11	7	16:56	-	-	-	-	-		$4,333,333	$4,333,333
65. John Klingberg			UFA	25	D	Right		59	7	47	54	11	23:31	-	-	-	-	-		$3,500,000	$4,250,000
66. David Savard			UFA	27	D	Right		58	4	7	11	-8	19:24	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,250,000
67. Marc-Édouard Vlasic		NTC	UFA	30	D	Left		58	9	18	27	11	22:40	-	-	-	-	-		$4,250,000	$4,250,000
68. Jonathan Ericsson		NTC	UFA	33	D	Left		58	2	8	10	6	19:32	-	-	-	-	-		$4,250,000	$4,250,000
69. Oscar Klefbom			UFA	24	D	Left		54	3	13	16	-10	22:43	-	-	-	-	-		$3,500,000	$4,167,000
70. Jonas Brodin			UFA	24	D	Left		53	5	10	15	19	21:21	-	-	-	-	-		$4,500,000	$4,166,667
71. Adam Larsson			UFA	25	D	Right		42	3	4	7	1	21:27	-	-	-	-	-		$4,500,000	$4,166,667
72. Damon Severson			UFA	23	D	Right		56	9	8	17	-4	19:22	-	-	-	-	-		$2,500,000	$4,166,666
73. Brian Dumoulin			UFA	26	D	Left		59	4	6	10	-9	20:35	-	-	-	-	-		$4,100,000	$4,100,000
74. Niklas Hjalmarsson		M-NTC, NMC	UFA	30	D	Left		33	0	5	5	-5	21:01	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,100,000
75. Alexei Emelin		M-NTC	UFA	31	D	Left		56	1	7	8	10	17:37	-	-	-	-	-		$4,400,000	$4,100,000
76. Olli Määttä			UFA	23	D	Left		61	4	18	22	-2	18:55	-	-	-	-	-		$4,083,300	$4,083,333
77. Jake Gardiner			UFA	27	D	Left		61	4	32	36	7	22:35	-	-	-	-	-		$4,050,000	$4,050,000
78. Cam Fowler			UFA	26	D	Left		49	7	18	25	-5	24:28	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,000,000
79. Kris Russell		NMC	UFA	30	D	Left		58	4	17	21	-1	18:59	-	-	-	-	-		$5,000,000	$4,000,000
80. Alec Martinez			UFA	30	D	Left		54	5	12	17	1	23:06	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,000,000
81. Jake Muzzin			UFA	28	D	Left		56	6	27	33	8	22:24	-	-	-	-	-		$4,100,000	$4,000,000
82. Kevin Bieksa		NMC	UFA	36	D	Right		54	0	6	6	-11	18:07	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,000,000
83. Roman Josi			UFA	27	D	Left		55	10	24	34	7	24:44	-	-	-	-	-		$5,000,000	$4,000,000
84. Zdeno Chara		NMC	UFA	40	D	Left		57	6	11	17	25	23:14	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,000,000
85. Marco Scandella			UFA	27	D	Left		60	2	14	16	-5	23:45	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$4,000,000
86. John Carlson			UFA	28	D	Right		59	11	36	47	-2	25:28	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$3,966,667
87. Josh Gorges		M-NTC	UFA	33	D	Left		26	0	2	2	-3	15:00	-	-	-	-	-		$3,900,000	$3,900,000
88. Travis Hamonic			UFA	27	D	Right		56	1	7	8	0	20:30	-	-	-	-	-		$4,875,000	$3,857,143
89. Connor Murphy			UFA	24	D	Right		54	1	8	9	4	15:45	-	-	-	-	-		$4,600,000	$3,850,000
90. Justin Braun			UFA	31	D	Right		59	2	22	24	8	21:18	-	-	-	-	-		$3,800,000	$3,800,000
91. Dan Hamhuis		M-NTC	UFA	35	D	Left		57	3	16	19	2	20:30	-	-	-	-	-		$3,000,000	$3,750,000
92. Mattias Ekholm			UFA	27	D	Left		57	7	19	26	12	24:00	-	-	-	-	-		$3,500,000	$3,750,000
93. Braydon Coburn		NTC	UFA	32	D	Left		52	1	9	10	4	16:32	-	-	-	-	-		$3,700,000	$3,700,000
94. Mark Fayne			UFA	30	D	Right		0	0	0	0	0		-	-	-	-	-		$3,500,000	$3,625,000
95. Luca Sbisa			UFA	28	D	Left		26	1	10	11	7	20:00	-	-	-	-	-		$4,000,000	$3,600,000
96. Erik Gudbranson			UFA	26	D	Right		41	2	2	4	-4	17:56	-	-	-	-	-		$3,500,000	$3,500,000
97. Michael Stone		M-NTC	UFA	27	D	Right		60	2	2	4	-7	16:03	-	-	-	-	-		$3,500,000	$3,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

No NTC or NMCs

This is the key !!

Who cares if.hes over.paid by 250-500k. The term.is.perfect! The CAP is going up and we dont need the CAP space until were competitive. When this contract is over then so will Sutters and Erikssons is finishing up. Then we can do damage !

 

[DanCloutiers5hole]

Obviously not happy but im not surprised , it is what it is ... Benning and Co. have made their bed now they can lay in it. They have continuously gone against the status quo , giving zero F's about fan/media input into how the team should be developed. It seems whenever we are extremely opposed to something they do the complete opposite with no disregard, its very egotistical and borderline narcissistic. They will never admit fault its quite Trump esc. Eventually it will catch up to them or at least one can hope.... With that said the team was going to struggle with or without Gud the next several years anyway so i'm not going to lose that much sleep. I'll always be a fan and i'll always have hope...

 

[manroth19]

Not a fan of the signing at, only silver linings for me are 3 years and no ntc are perfect and ufa rhd this year is just awful

Too many below average d on this team especially on the left side. Only way this signing/trade deadline isn’t a complete failure is if 2 out of Hutton edler MDZ is traded.

Not holding my breathe

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Shockingly I see many in this thread following your advice...........although we all know that the Haters are thrilled with any excuse to rant on against the current regime and are very versed in the fine art of tantrum throwing...........

Yes theyd find a way to throw a tantrum even if we won Game 7 vs Boston.....but but but you didnt sweep them !

One thing for sure. This signing isnt on owners or anyone else. Its all Benning. Glad he is getting a chance to really stamp his plan