GDT: Canes vs Pens - back to the well once again

[Navin R Slavin]

I don't think Jarvis has earned his.

Seems like hes Rods son and can do no wrong.

Why has Turbo and his 9 goals been demoted to the 4th line before Jarvis who has made some bad turnovers.

A fair opinion, but it seems likely to me there's a reason we don't see clearly beyond "Rod is stubborn".

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't think Jarvis has earned his.

Seems like hes Rods son and can do no wrong.

Why has Turbo and his 9 goals been demoted to the 4th line before Jarvis who has made some bad turnovers.

I think Rod bases decisions off of work rate and playing his way vs anything else including production. Jarvis overall has always been very strong in terms of decision making and puck protection while taking the puck to the net consistently, and consistently having a high motor with physical involvement. That’s the coaches way and Rod isn’t going to drop him because a few plays went wrong when he does everything else right. TT is a very smart and skilled player but the engine is not always high, he doesn’t always play north/south, is rarely physically engaged while still making the same risky passes in some situations that he always has.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I think Rod bases decisions off of work rate and playing his way vs anything else including production. Jarvis overall has always been very strong in terms of decision making and puck protection while taking the puck to the net consistently, and consistently having a high motor with physical involvement. That’s the coaches way and Rod isn’t going to drop him because a few plays went wrong when he does everything else right. TT is a very smart and skilled player but the engine is not always high, he doesn’t always play north/south, is rarely physically engaged while still making the same risky passes in some situations that he always has.

I can see why people feel like this is just another way of saying "stubborn" or "playing favorites". But we all know that Rod believes deeply in the process, consistency, doing things the right way all the time, and results following. It's usually tough to argue given the generally positive results, but unless you win every game, there's always an argument to be had.

Personally, I'll keep trusting Rod's judgement.

 

[Joe McGrath]

The guy with 135 points in 200 games is probably more offensively gifted than the guy with 100 points in 300 games.

Obviously, opportunity plays a part in it, but still...

I think if Noesen played with Matthews and Marner for 160 games he’d have a lot more points.

They play a similar style

Bunting has the track record of complementing higher skill linemates. Noesen has a track record of not being a good enough skater to stay in the league anywhere else. If we had more natural finishers who could skate better, especially righty’s he’d still be in the minors.

He’s effective cheap labor.

Hes Effective cheap labor, with more points than Bunting.

Does that make Bunting ineffective expensive labor?

 

[bleedgreen]

I think if Noesen played with Matthews and Marner for 160 games he’d have a lot more points.

They play a similar style

Hes Effective cheap labor, with more points than Bunting.

Does that make Bunting ineffective expensive labor?

I’m not saying your wrong, only at this point of the season I don’t give a flying fornication about overall production and I feel Bunting at least early showed he can really compliment our skill guys. He can keep up with their plays better than Noesen, though I think it’s great to have them both. I didn’t care how either are being used today as long as they’re both healthy and in the lineup. By the time the playoffs come I feel like they’ll have asserted their case for being in the lineup wherever they are.

I also try to forget who makes what at this point as it has no relevance to Rod, nor should it. Production per dollar is an off-season debate imo.

 

[Stickpucker]

I think Rod bases decisions off of work rate and playing his way vs anything else including production. Jarvis overall has always been very strong in terms of decision making and puck protection while taking the puck to the net consistently, and consistently having a high motor with physical involvement. That’s the coaches way and Rod isn’t going to drop him because a few plays went wrong when he does everything else right. TT is a very smart and skilled player but the engine is not always high, he doesn’t always play north/south, is rarely physically engaged while still making the same risky passes in some situations that he always has.

I think those things have historically been true of Jarvis but not this season. outside the first few games where Jarvis wanted to limit test what he gained in strength over the off season.

After that I haven't seen him protect pucks or get to the middle of the ice and be dangerous.

Maybe the fancy stats disagree but I'd be curious how he looks compared to Turbo or Bunting who have spent more time demoted than Jarvis.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I think those things have historically been true of Jarvis but not this season. outside the first few games where Jarvis wanted to limit test what he gained in strength over the off season.

After that I haven't seen him protect pucks or get to the middle of the ice and be dangerous.

Maybe the fancy stats disagree but I'd be curious how he looks compared to Turbo or Bunting who have spent more time demoted than Jarvis.

Turbo has no comparison

 

[Stickpucker]

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Turbo has no comparison

He's been so bad he doesn't compare or the chart doesn't exist?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

He's been so bad he doesn't compare or the chart doesn't exist?

Means most of his stats are very purple. These 2 don’t compare to him in this chart

 

[MisterDobz]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Why is beer 14 dollars??? Lol

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Why is beer 14 dollars??? Lol

Because parking is $30

 

[Wolfpuck]

Because parking is $30

I think it’s $40 now.

 

[Derailed75]

Why is beer 14 dollars??? Lol

Dude paid $200 for the Alt sweater and is complaining that beer is $14 bucks??

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Because parking is $30

You see the sign on the Bally?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I think it’s $40 now.

Is it? Jesus, that's bad. Thank God I never have to worry about that anymore.

 

[Derailed75]

Ya know what would be really cool?

If the Canes
Do
That
Hockey!

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Today would be a wonderful day for Svech to Happen.

 

[Wolfpuck]

Auntie tested early

 

[hblueridgegal]

Poor Walt...hope he has a crisis management incentive in his contract. Feels like he and Chatty are paying the price for the choices of others.

 

[Wolfpuck]

Noesen whips it wide

 

[cptjeff]

Damn, really good work by Hinestzoza there to get through our D, and good work by Raanta to make that save.

 

[Tryamw]

Noesen fail

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

TDA with the bad play along with the boards and orlov has to know to play conservatively after TDAs bad play. Instead anticipating the pens player goes along the boards and gets burned himself. Ooof

 

[Borsig]

Orlov got smoked twice already. Sigh.

And 7 / 77 were out vs Crosby line.

Oof