GDT: Canes vs Bolts - it's a Black Friday Natural Disaster!

[Borsig]

I’m surprised they didn’t do more marketing around the retro theme tonight. Outshooting the opponent by double, only to have an insurmountable deficit… defensemen watching helplessly as the goalie does a breakdance move to deflect the puck into his own net… fans not even having the energy to boo in a half-empty building. Lots of special moments tonight.

I saw a father wipe away a tear as his child yelled “make a ****ing save” for the first time. The whole production was a lovely tribute to o.g. Canes fans.

I was there during the dark ages. And tonight was the first time I've ever walked out on a game before the the final horn.

 

[Porvari]

Looks like I picked the right season to not pay for the local NHL streaming service.

 

[Stickpucker]

Just so we are clear, this is in fact the worst statistical goaltending performance since they kept track of sv% on a game by game basis for a goalie that finished the game. First time ever under 50%.

The team has issues to be sure, but you have zero chance to win a game if your goalie can’t make more saves than goals given up.

For the Canes or the entire nhl?

I was surprised Rod didn't make a change after 3 goals against on 4 shots.

 

[bleedgreen]

For sure that’s been the strategy and I don’t even necessarily think it’s a bad one, it’s just interesting to me that they keep rolling raanta out when kochetkov is right there even though raanta has been showing basically his whole career what will happen if you start him more than a few games in a row. I’m a little baffled they let him finish this one, honestly, but again what does that say about kochetkov? Raanta is literally letting in every other shot and they still would rather not put kochetkov out there?

I know it’s not always a popular opinion when I express it, but I believe the coach has a strong vet preference. Choosing young guys only when it’s about the only option left or they play so well there’s just no other choice.

 

[Borsig]

I'm not even sure I want to go to jwilly Night after this. Sitting here eating my breakfast at the embassy reflecting on the shitty experience of it all.

Even got into it with another fan (admittedly her and her Cadre were hard-core twitterati types) and that's a first too. I've actually never gotten into it with another fan, but I'm pretty sure her issue with me wasn't hockey opinions. She also may have mistaken me for the drunk obnoxious dude who was sitting next to us. Except he had a boston accent and I have a deep southern Appalachian accent.

Either way the lack of effort, poor decisions, and generally just awful play has me not wanting to spend hundreds of dollars on tickets hotel diesel and parking.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The staff hasn’t pulled a goalie regularly. They take the L and let the other goalie stay fresh. It’s their thing.

No one has ignored the goalie situation, the market has been barren since Andersen signed the first time. We were lucky that Andersen chose us the first time. He was the best one left at that point. The market has been bad.

 

[Stickpucker]

I know it’s not always a popular opinion when I express it, but I believe the coach has a strong vet preference. Choosing young guys only when it’s about the only option left or they play so well there’s just no other choice.

I don't think anyone would disagree Rod has a preference for vets.

I think the disagreement is wanting to see Rod put more effort into developing some of the prospects.

 

[Svechhammer]

I know it’s not always a popular opinion when I express it, but I believe the coach has a strong vet preference.

I mean that's fine, but...

Choosing young guys only when it’s about the only option left or they play so well there’s just no other choice.

Often leads us to a situation where we don't develop our young players and have to resort through churning through a series of undervalued middling vets to round out the depth leading to a situation where if and when father time catches up, we have some gaping holes in the lineup.

 

[Sigurd]

I think showing some confidence in Kochetkov who won the previous game, and giving Raanta some well deserved rest after being pulled for precautionary reasons was the choice to be made. I told my wife when I saw Raanta was starting, it was probably a bad idea.

I agree 100%. I thought it was a bad idea too.

I’m surprised they didn’t do more marketing around the retro theme tonight. Outshooting the opponent by double, only to have an insurmountable deficit… defensemen watching helplessly as the goalie does a breakdance move to deflect the puck into his own net… fans not even having the energy to boo in a half-empty building. Lots of special moments tonight.

I saw a father wipe away a tear as his child yelled “make a ****ing save” for the first time. The whole production was a lovely tribute to o.g. Canes fans.

Yeah, last night didn't look like the cup contender we've grown used to. I, for one, didn't enjoy watching the 3rd period in person.

Last year, iirc, we had a blowout win against Tampa last season where we kept them shotless for at least 1 period. Now they had a blowout win against us this season.

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[Stickpucker]

Last night was the price we agreed to pay the hockey gods so Drury could score his first goal.

 

[robbieberns]

I know it’s preaching to the choir, but keeping Daniels year after year and not bringing in a tactical specialist to run the power play/forward units is downright incompetence bordering on negligence. The issues with the non coached power play ate obvious, and they’re just so clearly not creating enough skill based/creative offensive chances 5v5. Year after year management makes personnel tweaks here and there but don’t make any systemic changes due to the fact they believe they can win it all if they just vibe hard enough.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I know it’s preaching to the choir, but keeping Daniels year after year and not bringing in a tactical specialist to run the power play/forward units is downright incompetence bordering on negligence. The issues with the non coached power play ate obvious, and they’re just so clearly not creating enough skill based/creative offensive chances 5v5. Year after year management makes personnel tweaks here and there but don’t make any systemic changes due to the fact they believe they can win it all if they just vibe hard enough.

We’re 11th this year and top 10 before Edmonton but go on

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't think anyone would disagree Rod has a preference for vets.

I think the disagreement is wanting to see Rod put more effort into developing some of the prospects.

I think we’d all want to see him put more effort into developing prospects. I don’t think there’s much disagreement there, amongst us anyways.

 

[bleedgreen]

I mean that's fine, but...


Often leads us to a situation where we don't develop our young players and have to resort through churning through a series of undervalued middling vets to round out the depth leading to a situation where if and when father time catches up, we have some gaping holes in the lineup.

Oh I agree 100%. I’ve always been curious about the way we do the youngsters. I’d leave the fourth line open every year for competition pretty much all season. Guys like Rees and Suzuki would’ve been playing last year, Drury would’ve been a regular two years ago.

Rod makes the lineup in the summer imo, and unless someone gets hurt or blows the doors off in camp that’s the way she goes. He’s been really successful so there’s no real argument, but when he chooses Raanta over Koochie to the point of not pulling him last night to presumably protect the kid from onslaught and people wonder why we haven’t gone to Koochie yet in general to me it’s typically the primary reason.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Last night was the price we agreed to pay the hockey gods so Drury could score his first goal.

What's it going to take to get Svech to score then?

I don't think last night was as bad as everyone made it out to be. It was simply an example of what happens when we get off their game.

The first period was a prime example of what we want to do. Great defense, great pressure, and a lead. Couldn't have been a more perfect period.

Then, as we typically do, we shot ourselves in the foot. Even though the first two kills were great, all it took was a 10-second lapse near the end of each of them before it bit us in the ass. And then to take another penalty immediately after (and to have them score on it almost immediately), the shell shock was obvious.

But true to the coaching philosophy, they shook it off and gathered themselves and played well the rest of that period. Even made it a one-goal game.

Unfortunately, Raanta simply wasn't good enough. I don't blame him for the first three goals, as we did a pisspoor job of covering the three worst players to leave uncovered, but that 4th goal, he's got to have. The 5th goal he REALLY shouldn't give up. Everything after that was just a result of the team and Raanta giving up.

But yeah, letting star players like Stamkos, Point and Kucherov just weave through your team will end up with scores like last night. Especially when your own star players don't show up. The 4th line was the best one by a significant margin, and that's not going to win any games.

Honestly, I wish we could afford to scratch some of our players. Svech is being stupid, likely due to his scoring drought, and it CANNOT continue. Necas is being stupid, for reasons known only to him, but it's getting easier and easier to see him as expendable. Burns clearly needs to take a breather and get his head back in the game.

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Save percentage is as much team play as it is the goalie’s. While Raanta has missed some, some of our biggest skating stinkers have come with him in net.

 

[bleedgreen]

We’re built to play Rod’s system at this point. If we don’t have 100% buy in and execution then teams that are built off skill and who also have toughness will run us over. Then not having a goalie who can steal a game hurts.

It’s one game. It’s over and we move on.

 

[Rick Davis]

To me the worst aspect of last night was the realization of how much better situated for playoffs the Bolts are compared to us. They have an incredibly athletic walrus in goal and a bunch of highly skilled stars who take full advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. And for good measure they have a few thugs on board in case the other team wants to play hardball.

 

[MinJaBen]

I haven’t been following as close as I usually do but I’m kinda surprised at the lack of urgency around goaltending since Andersen went down. Like maybe behind the scenes there’s a bunch happening but it seems pretty clear to me they don’t really trust kochetkov and even clearer to me that raanta cannot be a starting goalie. He’s a very good, great backup but he can’t be relied on to start. That book was written on him before he ever put on a canes jersey, and still they’re leaning on him.

I’m not sure why you would be surprised…this organization clearly has a pretty big hole in their ability to value good goaltending based on their actions.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I’m not sure why you would be surprised…this organization clearly has a pretty big hole in their ability to value good goaltending based on their actions.

Based on what? Who haven’t we pursued or didn’t pursue?

 

[MinJaBen]

Based on what? Who haven’t we pursued or didn’t pursue?

Based on the goalies they employ.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Well yeah. He’s 9 games in and one of them involves having the worst goaltending game in NHL history… that’s how that works.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Based on the goalies they employ.

Again who didn’t we pursue to improve it that was available?
The goalie market has been awful lately