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LINDY RUFF NEEDS VIAGRA!!
Maybe even "the state run Devils machine" has had enough of Ruff, too?
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glenwo2
LINDY RUFF NEEDS VIAGRA!!
Well at the rate things are going, Ruff is going to be "watching the game well" at home after April 15th and beyond.
(maybe even sooner...)
Ruff was right. I dare say Ryan Novosinsky doesn’t watch the games very well. The guy seems like a jerk to me. In this age of bloggers and social media journalism there are more than a few “writers” who don’t command much respect.Well at the rate things are going, Ruff is going to be "watching the game well" at home after April 15th and beyond.
(maybe even sooner...)
Asking why your top 7 pick from a few years ago is barely playing more than a minor league call up when said young player has improved his game, has good underlying numbers, and literally scored after the supposed mistake that the coach bitched about is a perfectly legitimate question. If that's too hard for Ruff to handle without making a smartass response then maybe he should go find a new line of work.
Why don't we have reporters who ask hard questions?
*reporter asks a slightly harder than softball question*
Yeah well, what the f*** does that reporter know? Jerk!
Better Call Sal
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I don’t agree with the overall usage for Holtz, and I certainly think it’s a bad look to be defensive about it being questioned given his production at 5-on-5 when the team is struggling to score the past two games at even-strength.
But I question how anyone can compare the situation to how Ruff has treated Luke and Nemec. It’s an apples to oranges comparison. Of course it’s easier to sit a winger vs. a defender who makes a mistake. And while there aren’t viable options available to sit these players for a whole game right now on forward or defense due to injuries, there’s way less help on defense.
But I question how anyone can compare the situation to how Ruff has treated Luke and Nemec. It’s an apples to oranges comparison. Of course it’s easier to sit a winger vs. a defender who makes a mistake. And while there aren’t viable options available to sit these players for a whole game right now on forward or defense due to injuries, there’s way less help on defense.
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But Ruff doesn't really seem to even criticize the mistakes Luke makes. At least not like he does Holtz. It's so clear he dislikes Holtz for some reason. Dislikes him specifically. And maybe it's a good reason and maybe it's not. But it's clear that he doesn't like him.
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Maybe he’s harder on him because Holtz has been playing pro in our system since 2020-2021 (3 years)? Luke hasn't even been playing pro hockey for a year.
I’m just trying to find the reason lol, Holtz’s usage frustrates me a whole lot.
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Not excusing Ruff...but...
I'm guessing he has enough hockey intuition to know when a player is making an skill error vs. effort error. I think there's a difference. Luke makes mistakes but (1) he is in a position of extreme need and (2) I think a lot of his errors are just judgement/head-translate-to-action skill errors. I think Holtz, on occassion, has more effort errors. People who are making effort errors, I think, are being held accountable on the Devils.
That said, I also think you need to reward skill and ability to some degree. When Bastian loses the puck on the walls after actually having possession for the 90th time or Toffoli looks like he is about to throw up back checking because he's skating with a brick in his shorts, it's because they are limited. Maybe Toffoli is now a 3rd line, PP specialist.
I am not as much of a Ruff critic, but I definitely think he could tweak his mindset just a bit. I'm sure all the coaches weigh in on things like this, informing Ruff for overall ice time.
Now, related to yesterday's game, I really thought they did a lot of good things. But, when there was a poor line change or just a lapse in concentration, the Habs just finished when the Devils could not. Some of those crease shots were incredibly NOT goals for the Devils. I couldn't even believe it.
If the Devils were in a better position I don't think we would be as upset about last night. So, deep breathes. Let's just get healthy and crush CBJ!
I'm guessing he has enough hockey intuition to know when a player is making an skill error vs. effort error. I think there's a difference. Luke makes mistakes but (1) he is in a position of extreme need and (2) I think a lot of his errors are just judgement/head-translate-to-action skill errors. I think Holtz, on occassion, has more effort errors. People who are making effort errors, I think, are being held accountable on the Devils.
That said, I also think you need to reward skill and ability to some degree. When Bastian loses the puck on the walls after actually having possession for the 90th time or Toffoli looks like he is about to throw up back checking because he's skating with a brick in his shorts, it's because they are limited. Maybe Toffoli is now a 3rd line, PP specialist.
I am not as much of a Ruff critic, but I definitely think he could tweak his mindset just a bit. I'm sure all the coaches weigh in on things like this, informing Ruff for overall ice time.
Now, related to yesterday's game, I really thought they did a lot of good things. But, when there was a poor line change or just a lapse in concentration, the Habs just finished when the Devils could not. Some of those crease shots were incredibly NOT goals for the Devils. I couldn't even believe it.
If the Devils were in a better position I don't think we would be as upset about last night. So, deep breathes. Let's just get healthy and crush CBJ!
A jerk? Lol He asked a question respectfully, Lindy has it super easy here with the media. If he was in a Canadian market he would be obliterated with much harder questions on a routine basis.
Hell half the questions he's asked on a regular basis is from a team employee(not knocking Amanda but she doesn't ask hard questions)
Also Novo asked Lindy about Bratt not getting more ice time in the beginning of last season and Lindy walked off and pouted about that one too. Novo was spot on about that one too...
Devils’ Lindy Ruff asked about Jesper Bratt’s limited ice time, leaves press conference
The New Jersey Devils fell to the Philadelphia Flyers, 5-2, on Thursday at the Wells Fargo Center.
www.nj.com
I very much think this is the crux of the matter. Or at least a general mindset that is at issue. I wonder if Ruff doesn't think Holtz plays the game serious enough.
I think back to that time one of the coaches scolded Holtz when he was laughing on the bench after scoring a goal.
And I don't think Ruff is necessarily wrong about it.
That said, does anyone have a clip of the play Ruff referenced?
I'm fine with teaching accountability, and I think Holtz has responded well to it, but in a game where you score exactly 0 goals 5v5, maybe limiting the guy who is tied for 2nd on the team in even strength goals to just a couple shifts in the third period after he just tied the game on the PP is not the best time for it?
Injuries aside, that’s a starting sign he needs to go. I understand being frustrated for a guy who’s usually pretty cool and controlled in post games but this is terrible for him to say.
Whether you agree or not with his handling of Holtz, the late starts, the first goals given up, the terrible home record, taking forever to make adjustments, lack of in-game and the overall inconsistency falls on him.
I’m fine with firing him, letting Green interim (breath @Bleedred) and start the search for candidates now. They need a change of voice, approach something. The injury excuse can only go so far.
I honestly feel he’s lost the room.
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If that clip of the Holtz play is the thing he’s referring to maybe he should come up with a better breakout scheme.
It literally forces the puck through that dangerous area all the time if a forechecker closes off the wall. If the pass isn’t good or the defender bobbles it, it causes problems.
Earlier in the season McLeod threw a tape to tape pass to the opposition for goal when he was pressured along the wall an had no where to go with the puck.
It literally forces the puck through that dangerous area all the time if a forechecker closes off the wall. If the pass isn’t good or the defender bobbles it, it causes problems.
Earlier in the season McLeod threw a tape to tape pass to the opposition for goal when he was pressured along the wall an had no where to go with the puck.
I was wondering if maybe that is why Ruff was so touchy about the question.
Maybe Fitz is applying some pressure as well?
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i had hoped bratt and nico would step up in hughes’ absence, considering those two are about 1/5th of our cap. bratt is making $10m this season, and he should have left his mark all over a game versus the skidding habs.
even most of our wins aren’t all that impressive to me. i’m all on board for a coaching change, but like bleed said i don’t want green running the ship. at the same time, i’m starting to wonder if we were successful in spite of ruff last year, not because of him. all that said, i’m still hopeful that hughes’ return will be enough to string together some dubs.
even most of our wins aren’t all that impressive to me. i’m all on board for a coaching change, but like bleed said i don’t want green running the ship. at the same time, i’m starting to wonder if we were successful in spite of ruff last year, not because of him. all that said, i’m still hopeful that hughes’ return will be enough to string together some dubs.
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yeah these shitty breakouts happen all the time it’s like the only options sometimes are into the middle or home run passes for forwards that try to leave the zone quick from turnovers. other teams know that and force these mistakes with ease.
injuries are a problem but i have so many other issues with how the team plays. they overpass a ton, and they don’t attack the net with any urgency. their home record is worse because they look like they’re trying to put on a show for home fans and score pretty goals when we just want them to win. this goes back to last season.
they come out flat all the f***ing time. there’s no motivation they act like they can just decide to show up when they feel pressure but they’re not last seasons team and aren’t coming back like they did.
toffoli being stapled to hughes wing when they had virtually no 5v5 production together for weeks was asinine, especially when we have a skilled right handed shooter that has been playing very good 5v5 hockey that could easily slot in there in holtz.
don’t get me started on the systems…
anyway, i was on the fire ruff bandwagon early when it was obvious there was something wrong with the team. they got on a minor run that seemed to keep them in the playoff race but now even with injuries all foundational flaws are showing. a new coach would do wonders
injuries are a problem but i have so many other issues with how the team plays. they overpass a ton, and they don’t attack the net with any urgency. their home record is worse because they look like they’re trying to put on a show for home fans and score pretty goals when we just want them to win. this goes back to last season.
they come out flat all the f***ing time. there’s no motivation they act like they can just decide to show up when they feel pressure but they’re not last seasons team and aren’t coming back like they did.
toffoli being stapled to hughes wing when they had virtually no 5v5 production together for weeks was asinine, especially when we have a skilled right handed shooter that has been playing very good 5v5 hockey that could easily slot in there in holtz.
don’t get me started on the systems…
anyway, i was on the fire ruff bandwagon early when it was obvious there was something wrong with the team. they got on a minor run that seemed to keep them in the playoff race but now even with injuries all foundational flaws are showing. a new coach would do wonders
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It's obvious that no one is being held accountable all year Givin the sloppy bad play.
But the D-man didn't score the goal. Daws needs to handle that puck, and Marino, who was right there, needs to tie up the opposing player.
Better Call Sal
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I don’t think that’s the case at all, and I think as fans, we are inclined to jump with that rationality because of what we see. There is so much that we don’t see, and Ruff certainly isn’t going to shed that all to the media whether he’s rightly or wrongly questioned about his usage.
I think that Holtz has a microscope on him for a number of reasons. He’s a top pick who has “taken longer” to develop, but is putting together a strong season for himself this year in terms of production. I do think we simplify things as fans based on that, and in this case, I think it’s justified given the nature of the game last night. However, defensemen are going to be more prone to turnovers given the nature of their responsibilities in this system. Holtz’ responsibilities as a winger are much less than that, which make his decisions with the puck more critical if that is how the coaching staff chooses to evaluate him.
I think the point above about his errors being more of a skill vs. effort decision is bang on. I don’t want to defend Lindy because I think there’s a time and place for these coaching decisions, but I can get why he’d be irritated about that being the focus after the game rather than the chances they did have that they couldn’t finish. And he did make a point to call out Nico’s line for the dogshit line change that lead to the second goal.
No he didn’t but he had time and space to walk in closer to net. If that doesn’t happen maybe daws handles the shot better ?
Truth to what you say.
But I think Ruff see's there being an underlying mindset issue with Holtz. Smith as a perfect counterexample makes a ton of gaffe's but I definitely don't question his dedication. Holtz? Too much giggling on the bench, and that spills onto the ice.
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that’s nonsense holtz has been making surprisingly good defensive plays all season. he throws his body around more than we’ve seen and he has his head up creating in the offensive zone. he earned a chance and it’s lunacy at this point that the team has all these injuries and can’t score 5v5 and ruff is stapling him to the bench
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Yeah the GWG was a shit show all around. Overloaded the one side but MTL got it over to a wide open point. You knew it was coming lol.
You want Daws to hold that but the dude was able to walk into the high slot for a bomb.
The worst part was Marino, it looked like he just gave up on the play when he saw Daws making the glove save. Then it was too late for him to do anything when the puck popped out.
You want Daws to hold that but the dude was able to walk into the high slot for a bomb.
The worst part was Marino, it looked like he just gave up on the play when he saw Daws making the glove save. Then it was too late for him to do anything when the puck popped out.
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