easy. cant teach fundamentals and hes one of the most fundamenlty sound prospect ive seen in a while
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easy. cant teach fundamentals and hes one of the most fundamenlty sound prospect ive seen in a while
Neither Hischier nor Patrick would have supplanted Puljujarvi as the consensus third-best prospect in the draft at the time. There was a clear Big Three last year with Puljujarvi trailing both Matthews and Laine by a slim margin.
Both would have competed for fourth overall alongside Pierre-Luc Dubois and Matthew Tkachuk, and it is accurate to say that they would have been in that tier as prospects. Depending on where Dubois would have been ranked among them, they would have been drafted either fourth, fifth, or sixth-overall in 2016.
Below are a few comments from December 2015, a month before Dubois became the consensus fourth-best choice in the 2016 NHL Draft. Both Dubois and Patrick finished the second half of last season very strongly.
If the draft board had gone as it did with the Columbus Blue Jackets selecting Dubois and the Oilers taking Puljujarvi, then Vancouver and Calgary would have very likely taken the other two centers and left Arizona to take Tkachuk.
Dubois, Patrick, and Hischier could have been selected in any order, but the Blue Jackets' justification for picking Dubois over Puljujarvi was his grit and North American power forward style of game -- Hischier is smaller overall, while Patrick doesn't play the hard-nosed, workhorse type of game that Columbus sought last June.
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Both Hischier and Patrick have been fairly average over the past several games.
In their last nine games:
Hischier has 4 goals, 9 assists, 13 points and is a +6.
Patrick has 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points and is a -5.
In their last nine games:
Hischier has 4 goals, 9 assists, 13 points and is a +6.
Patrick has 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points and is a -5.
This is hearsay that I can't source, but there were scouts who thought Patrick could go #3 (probably very similar to the amount of scouts who thought Dubois should go #3, and an actual team drafted him there). Most likely he would have been grouped Dubois, and Tkachuk on most lists. Now, the one thing you are forgetting about Columbus's justification for Dubois (or at least rumored), was the chance he was a center. Patrick while not as physical as Dubois, is absolutely a center long-term. Either way, I don't think the prevailing opinion would be that Patrick or Hischier would be ranked above Puljujarvi. Now, it's fair to think that Hischier would have been the 3rd best prospect in last years draft that is not an outlandish opinion, it is just that you are likely in the minority with that opinion.
As for the divide between Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi. That can be debated til the end of the time. There were basically 4 camps. One was that Matthews was by himself and that the 2 fins were grouped togeather, another was Matthews and Laine were equal but they preferred the upside of Laine with Puljujarvi just behind both, there was the opinion that Matthews and Laine were significantly above Puljujarvi and then there was the Blue Jackets opinion.
He's listed at 6'.75 and weighing in at 176. He puts on 5 pounds he's fine size wise for the NHL. He may be held back and play another year in the Q (and if on loan possibly in the AHL as his contract situation is unclear), but I don't think size will be the major cause.
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That is true...that huge Mitch Marner 5'11, 160 pounds really sucks cause of his size.
He predicted Marner being a bust multiple times. I don't think he's learned the error of his ways.
Yeah, I mean, it isn't like he's listed as 6'1 multiple places. I guess we'll see at the combine. But that is what central scouting currently has him at.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?cat=2&dpid=107219&sort=midtermRank&year=2017
I'm not sure if he'll play in the NHL next year, but if he doesn't I don't think it will be due to his size, which is the reason you pointed to.
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whether it's the right move or not, when is the last time a potential #1 pick didn't start in the NHL? He will definitely be in the league next season.
The last few players, for various reasons:
2006: Erik Johnson
1996: Chris Phillips
1995: Bryan Berard
1994: Ed Jovanovski
1991: Eric Lindros
1989: Mats Sundin
1988: Mike Modano
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Forgot Erik Johnson who is the most recent one.
Prospect's of Hischier level have gone back in recent years, such as Drouin, Marner, Strome (twice), PLD, Reinhart, etc. Teams seem to be a bit cautious in recent years.
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He is having a scoring slump right now, can any Moosehead fans explain it? 0G 5A in his last 7 games...
Is it just scoring or is he struggling to keep up his play?
Is it just scoring or is he struggling to keep up his play?
I haven't watched him recently, but he has averaged 3.6 shots on goal per game over those seven games; 17 of those 25 shots are listed as dangerous shots. He has been listed in the Three Stars of the Game twice in the past seven (second star once, third star once).
This season, he has averaged 4.1 shots per game over 50 games. His recent streak is below his average, and he has gone 0 for 17 on dangerous shots in the past seven games.
The most recent game, for example, where he had 2 dangerous shots and 4 total shots on goal, two of his shots were from between the hash marks in the low slot, while one was from the top of the right circle and the other was from the high slot. In another game where he had 4 dangerous shots, 4 total shots on goal, one was taken from five feet in front of the crease, and three were from the mid-slot. In another where he had 4 dangerous shots and 6 total shots on goal, two were from the mid-slot, one was from the right faceoff dot, one was from just below the top of the right circle, another was from the top of the left circle, and one was taken from the right point.
His level of play as of late doesn't seem quite as good as it has been in the past, but he has still been laying more high-percentage shots on net than his goal total indicates.
His season total is 133 dangerous shots and 205 total shots: 64.9% of his shots this season are listed as dangerous shots. 17 / 25 over the past seven games is actually 68%, so while the volume of shots is lower, his dangerous shots to total shots ratio has been slightly higher during his last stretch. He has averaged 2.66 dangerous shots per game this season; over the past seven games, he has averaged 2.43 dangerous shots per game, which is slightly down from his season average. Hot goaltenders have played their part in keeping his goal totals down recently, as while he isn't getting as many shots on net as usual, he has been shooting the puck quite a fair bit still.
The Mooseheads scored a total of 17 goals in those seven games; Hischier's five points account for 29.4% of the team's scoring in those games -- a little below his usual percentage, which is in the high-30s to low-40s.
One point to note is that he was out with a minor injury for the games on February 17 and February 18, 2017. The injury was never disclosed.
The Mooseheads Twitter account has documented a few of Hischier's chances:
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Before entering this cold streak, Hischier was on an eight-game scoring streak with 9 goals, 9 assists.
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During this little stretch where he hasn't produced like he has usually, it seems like he hasn't been able to dictate the pace of play as well. It seems as though he might be a little more tired playing back-to-backs or games that are less spaced out than he was at the start of the year which makes sense for a kid who hasn't played this much hockey nor was this relied upon at this level. After this weekend they have 5 days off but there are a lot of important games down the stretch. Hopefully Tourigny recognizes all of this and if there is a chance (in-game) to keep him on the bench then do it.
Said I wouldn't be back but this is what I've noticed at the last few home games. He's been getting hit hard a couple of times a game. Sometimes they are a little cheap questionably late or from digging at the goalies pads. He wasn't getting this kind of attention before the World juniors. After the first hard hit I seen him take you could tell it flustered him a little. Looked like it hurt. Put him off his game a little but still always dangerous looking like he wants the other team to pay for hitting him. Durandeau has been removed from the line and replaced by Moynihan for more protection for Nico and Fortier. Problem is he doesn't click on that line and slows the pace. They have been playing better opponents but are still getting a ton of scoring chances. Just not capitalizing. The goalies that they are facing have played fantastic every game. They have split the power play. Nico playing the point on the first unit with Chainey. Fortier on the second with MacIssac. Both power plays work well but again a lot of credit has to go the opposing goalies. They have good control and many chances. To me Nico still looks strong. His game hasn't changed but you can tell he's getting frustrated with the lack of production as well as the contact. If he's dinged up you can't tell. I know he's missed a couple games so that could be something I guess. As a fan I'm not worried. The pucks are gonna go in again hopefully soon.
swissexpert
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Thank you for the insight!
I hope he can handle this sort of treatment, cause it'll be like that for the rest of his career. They aren't too shy in the big league as well...
I'm not too worried after all. If 5 in 7 is your biggest slump of the season, you're diong fine
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pharling
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Nico Hischier scouting report and profile from DobberProspects
http://www.dobberprospects.com/nico-hischier/
http://www.dobberprospects.com/nico-hischier/
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