Post-Game Talk: Buffed - Jets 5 Sharks 4 (OT)

[Garbox]

Well, if they faced the car then they could do this, so they really do have to shoulder some of the blame.

But seriously, that was quite poor analogy. Pedestrians are not supposed to expect that. A hockey player on the other hand should be aware that someone might hit them, as hockey is a contact sport.

 

[nobody important]

But seriously, that was quite poor analogy. Pedestrians are not supposed to expect that.

Obviously, you don't live in Winnipeg.

 

[Jets2point0]

Did anybody else notice that earlier in the game Kulikov crushed someone along the boards (clean hit), was it Hertl? If so, I think that should play into the hearing and potentially whether it was a retaliation hit

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Hertl needs to let up when he sees the numbers. That's the rule. That's why there was a penalty. You can argue the wisdom of what Kuli did if you like (assuming that Hertl would follow the rule), but that doesn't change the rule. If you try to justify the hit as Kuli's fault, then you are basically saying that the Sestito hit on Toby was Toby's fault as well. Go watch it. Similar situation where Toby turns shortly before Sestito smashes his face into the boards from behind. Both the Hertl hit and the Sestito hit were illegal checks from behind into the boards.

 

[JohnStaymoose]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but I love this team.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I am just sooooooooooooo worried about the fact that Jets are not going anywhere in playoffs if buff is playing like he has played whole season. Last night his presence did result many goals against, game before that Hellebyuck saved the day with amazing game. Buff was giving opponent chances left and right that game also. Edmonton Oilers did trade chances in 80s and won, those days are over.

Where could this team go with Super tight defense and Hellebyuck who can win games by himself. Where could this team go with Josh Morrissey as quarterback on power play with Laine on the wing.

Lets get Gudbransson at trade deadline and put buff to a role he deserves, as buy out player.

That's crazy talk.

It wouldn't hurt for Maurice (or Huddy) to trim Buff's TOI by 2-3 minutes though.

 

[Evil Little]

I don't want to be too hard on Kulikov considering the number of times per game that defencemen will take forechecking pressure square in the numbers without incident.

The goal got scored literally under his nose. I remind you he is arguably the biggest and strongest guy in NHL if he starts to play the body (this goes for PK as well) Meier never gets the shot away, but after his paycheck season he is not dominant physical good Buff. But sure, you can blame a 19-teen yo a rookie and winger who plays center every time (three of them combined getting paid less then Big Buff). Easy

That's not Byfuglien. That's Mark Stuart. You can find him clearing the front of the net with his physicality in the DEL if you want.

 

[Ducky10]

I really think our pick a guy and follow him D zone system just doesn’t work for guys like Enstrom and Buff who have lost a step or two. They are constantly getting pulled up the boards, leaving a gaping hole in front of the net and in the middle of the ice generally. It’s way too easy to get open ice in front of Helle.

That's a situationl thing, I don't see the Jets doing this as a specific coverage scheme. Sometimes the flow of play or a certain situation dictates the D follows a forward up the wall. It's on the forwards to recognize this and adjust until the D can get back down low.

They don't seem to be giving up too many 10 bell chances this season. not sure I agree it's a big issue.

 

[Ducky10]

Minnesota is using this fact a lot to their advantage by getting Buff to chase and then skate out of slot. After that tight turn to slot and buff wont bother to get pack in play.

Show us. This isn't remotely true, stop making shit up. Spewing s bunch of unsubstantiated comments does not equal truth.

 

[Ducky10]

The goal got scored literally under his nose. I remind you he is arguably the biggest and strongest guy in NHL if he starts to play the body (this goes for PK as well) Meier never gets the shot away, but after his paycheck season he is not dominant physical good Buff. But sure, you can blame a 19-teen yo a rookie and winger who plays center every time (three of them combined getting paid less then Big Buff). Easy

Running around and clearing bodies is the surest way to get yourself out of position. Unless it involves the puck, it's largely useless.

 

[nobody important]

Did anybody else notice that earlier in the game Kulikov crushed someone along the boards (clean hit), was it Hertl? If so, I think that should play into the hearing and potentially whether it was a retaliation hit

You can't make judgments based on what you think is going through someone's mind. Although if they did, I would up the penalty for a retaliatory hit because it shows an inability to control one's anger and makes the hit look more predatory.

 

[HannuJ]

But seriously, that was quite poor analogy. Pedestrians are not supposed to expect that. A hockey player on the other hand should be aware that someone might hit them, as hockey is a contact sport.

but it's not.
it was an illegal hit. hence the penalty and misconduct.
a pedestrian should expect cars on the road. but they don't expect a car to run them over at a crosswalk.
not sure what you aren't getting.

 

[HannuJ]

(wait for the second angle for a better view of Kulikov's move)

The second angle shows it all: Kulikov approaches the boards and takes a look at Hertl. Kulikov knows he's coming, yet he still decides to play the puck and turn his back to Hertl, who proceeds to flatten Kulikov. (besides, why do you say that he did not face Hertl at any point? You don't have to face the guy to turn your back to him and put yourself in a vulnerable position.)

Players should be able to assume that as long as they don't put themselves in danger, like Kuli did here, they won't get checked illegally. That goes for checking as well; as long as you avoid illegal checks, you should be able to hit every player on the ice. In my eyes, Kulikov showed horrific awareness by consciously turning away at the last second, knowing how Hertl was coming from behind. Call that gross all you want, but that one is on Kulikov, not Hertl.

HE.HITS.HIM.RIGHT.IN.THE.NUMBERS.

not sure what you're not getting.
these guys can stop on a dime and deflect a 100 mph slapshot and you're blaming a player for turning his back "last minute"? lol.
also, Hertl's head is down as he delivers the check...yet you don't blame him for not assessing the situation? my lord...

 

[TannedBum]

Hertl needs to let up when he sees the numbers. That's the rule. That's why there was a penalty.

Hertl didn't have time to do that. They both had the responsibility and Kuli gave up on his own in the last second.

 

[Aavco Cup]

There's probably enough grey area that DPS won't schedule a hearing (although I wish they would even if they don't suspend him) I think the 5 and a game was the proper call on the ice.

 

[antiqueslivers]

man I just hope Kuli just need stitches and thats it. If he has concussion issues let the ascension of Sami Niku begin!

 

[Weezeric]

I'm 50/50 on the kuli hit. I hate when players turn last minute but I don't think forcing defenseman to not play the puck when it's rimmed in like that out of fear of getting pasted from behind is the solution. In the past those forecheckers would be interfered with to slow them up but that's against the rules now. I think the NHL I want to watch is where both the forecheker and the defenceman are expected to play the puck instead of just having body contact and ignoring the puck.

 

[csk]

man I just hope Kuli just need stitches and thats it. If he has concussion issues let the ascension of Sami Niku begin!

I would love for Niku to grab a spot and run with it, to give us some clarity with our contract situation. However I don' think he's ready yet.

 

[Aavco Cup]

 

[King Woodballs]

The receiver of the hit has to bare some responsibility when getting hit.

You can see that kulikov sees Hertl coming toward him and still turns.

The 5 and a game was way more than adequate. I don’t see a suspension coming out of it.

 

[Ducky10]

This is the right decision.

 

[Instincts]

That's not Byfuglien. That's Mark Stuart. You can find him clearing the front of the net with his physicality in the DEL if you want.

Or I can just watch Jets games and see Big Buff on ice when opponents scoring goals right under his nose or on odd man rushes after his pinches, then taking idiotic penalty cuz he is frustrated and blame everyone else but him

 

[Evil Little]

Or I can just watch Jets games and see Big Buff on ice when opponents scoring goals right under his nose or on odd man rushes after his pinches, then taking idiotic penalty cuz he is frustrated and blame everyone else but him

There was a time when I was stupid enough to get into arguments with people who make shit up on the internet. Scary to think...

 

[Howard Chuck]

The issue for me regarding Buff's penalty at the end, was how undisciplined and unnecessary it was. It wasn't to prevent a goal, or to further a play, or get a scoring opportunity. The play was over and he made the decision to take out his frustrations at the expense of the team result.

Not the first time either. He needs to be more disciplined.

 

[Flair Hay]

Show us. This isn't remotely true, stop making **** up. Spewing s bunch of unsubstantiated comments does not equal truth.

It's an opinion and he's not alone in thinking it's easy for good teams to exploit Buff in our zone.

Heaven forbid someone actually notice something watching the game...