Player Discussion Brandon Montour

[dracom]

I don’t disagree that Carlyle probably impacts Montours on ice play but I’ll play devils advocate and say look at the likes of Niedermayer, Visnovsky and Fowler who were the opposite and all had career years in terms of offensive output under Carlyle.

He runs a terrible defensive system but I don’t think he’s ever really been someone that has held back defenders in terms of their on ice production and offensive ability.

Is it possible that was due to how different the game was back then?

 

[ADHB]

I don’t disagree that Carlyle probably impacts Montours on ice play but I’ll play devils advocate and say look at the likes of Niedermayer, Visnovsky and Fowler who were the opposite and all had career years in terms of offensive output under Carlyle.

He runs a terrible defensive system but I don’t think he’s ever really been someone that has held back defenders in terms of their on ice production and offensive ability.

Niedermayer and Visnovsky were already established at that point though. No coach was going to change how they played.

Fowler is a different story. But based on how he is used, Randy has always loved him and I think he is given more freedom than other young defensemen.

 

[Duck Off]

I don’t disagree that Carlyle probably impacts Montours on ice play but I’ll play devils advocate and say look at the likes of Niedermayer, Visnovsky and Fowler who were the opposite and all had career years in terms of offensive output under Carlyle.

He runs a terrible defensive system but I don’t think he’s ever really been someone that has held back defenders in terms of their on ice production and offensive ability.

like most things, it's probably a combination. I always think of the playoff game where Montour was the only defenseman doing anything well, and after the game, Carlyle seemed to insinuate that he was frustrated at his play. That said, Carlyle isn't telling Montour to shoot at horrible times. It's definitely not all on Carlyle like some say, but I think having RC here hurts Monty more than helping for sure.

 

[AngelDuck]

He played a little better against the Preds. He needs to be more of a threat on offense though. I'm seeing too many safe plays out of him in the offensive zone, I want to see him use his speed to attack the net more.

 

[bsu]

He played a little better against the Preds. He needs to be more of a threat on offense though. I'm seeing too many safe plays out of him in the offensive zone, I want to see him use his speed to attack the net more.

 

[Getzmonster]

He played a little better against the Preds. He needs to be more of a threat on offense though. I'm seeing too many safe plays out of him in the offensive zone, I want to see him use his speed to attack the net more.

He seems to have too much of a straight line mentality. I'd like to see him put on the brakes and walk the line a bit more to give himself more shooting options and buy some space. It's too easy to pressure him into a hurried, harmless wrister right now when he has a heck of a shot being wasted.

 

[Kalv]

Last 2 games he is 2+4=6 points, with 27 mins ice time in each.
If he would play it like this all season he would be on pace for 246 point season
Looks like he`s playing better lately, no?
To me he has that offensive swagger (agressiveness) that Fowler doesn`t have.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Last 2 games he is 2+4=6 points, with 27 mins ice time in each.
If he would play it like this all season he would be on pace for 246 point season
Looks like he`s playing better lately, no?
To me he has that offensive swagger (agressiveness) that Fowler doesn`t have.

I think rc realized the system wasnt workin and gave everyone more freedom.... that benefits montour a ton

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Only has 3 power play points so far this year as well out of his 5+14=19. God, what I would not do to have a competent coach running that unit who could help develop him into an elite QB or that rover role they want Cam to play on the #1 unit.

 

[bumperkisser]

Only has 3 power play points so far this year as well out of his 5+14=19. God, what I would not do to have a competent coach running that unit who could help develop him into an elite QB or that rover role they want Cam to play on the #1 unit.

we want him in this role. he never seems to get to play this role as he's stapled to the point.

 

[Deuce22]

Only has 3 power play points so far this year as well out of his 5+14=19. God, what I would not do to have a competent coach running that unit who could help develop him into an elite QB or that rover role they want Cam to play on the #1 unit.

RC either loyal to a fault or slow on the uptake. Or both.

 

[Paul4587]

RC either loyal to a fault or slow on the uptake. Or both.

It wasn’t just RC, BB had him in the same role.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I think rc realized the system wasnt workin and gave everyone more freedom.... that benefits montour a ton

Montour and Fowler have been greenlit from the beginning. We saw that early on. Fowler doesn't use his freedom and Montour is a mess, he's all over the place. The change in systems gave people less freedom, not more.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Montour and Fowler have been greenlit from the beginning. We saw that early on. Fowler doesn't use his freedom and Montour is a mess, he's all over the place. The change in systems gave people less freedom, not more.

To be fair, it’s hard to be terribly greenlit when the offensive “system” has you stapled in your own end getting outshot by 20-40 shots every night because the forwards don’t skate to open space OR skate to areas that open lanes for the defensemen to carry the puck.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Only has 3 power play points so far this year as well out of his 5+14=19. God, what I would not do to have a competent coach running that unit who could help develop him into an elite QB or that rover role they want Cam to play on the #1 unit.

We have been having problems for years on the PP. We have tried several coaches I feel like the lack of a real PP QB is a factor here

 

[KeepItDeep]

To be fair, it’s hard to be terribly greenlit when the offensive “system” has you stapled in your own end getting outshot by 20-40 shots every night because the forwards don’t skate to open space OR skate to areas that open lanes for the defensemen to carry the puck.

I've had the same thought.

Whatever the coaches are telling the forwards to do, they wind up bunched up with each other far too often, making it far too easy for the defenders, and thus more difficult for our dmen.

 

[Paul4587]

We have been having problems for years on the PP. We have tried several coaches I feel like the lack of a real PP QB is a factor here

I completely agree. The lack of QB and lack of a dangerous one timer from the halfwalls really hurts us.

 

[Sean Garrity]

I've had the same thought.

Whatever the coaches are telling the forwards to do, they wind up bunched up with each other far too often, making it far too easy for the defenders, and thus more difficult for our dmen.

We must protect this "house"!

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

To be fair, it’s hard to be terribly greenlit when the offensive “system” has you stapled in your own end getting outshot by 20-40 shots every night because the forwards don’t skate to open space OR skate to areas that open lanes for the defensemen to carry the puck.

True but nevertheless I think montour is clearly a better player with a shorter leash. His instincts suck which isn't surprising given his history.

 

[MMC]

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

I'll miss him. Go kick ass in Buffalo, Monty!

 

[MMC]

 

[Getzmonster]

Go east, young Monty. You will be missed.

 

[bracer028]

Why are people all sad that we are letting some players go. This team isn't going anywhere. We are probably the slowest team in the league. Something needs to be done. Horrible Silfurberg signing, horrible henrique signing.

Montour is probably the lowest IQ player on the team. Nothing to be sad about