Bitcoin sinks to new 13-month low - NO Politics!

McGarnagle

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There is no "vs" IMO between ETH and BTC anymore. Those are the only 2 I would invest in, period. Both will flourish long term while anything else is a major risk.

Short term is obviously looking good, medium term i still feel will come down again significantly when the US "finally" decides to admit we are in a recession in a few months-half year. Long term, like I said i'm extremely bullish on these two, especially once the next bull run starts in a year or two.
Pretty much what my mindset is too.

I'm going to keep some exposure in both, but they seem fairly tied to each other anyway. I don't see any reason ETH would rocket without BTC doing the same, or BTC crashing without ETH doing the same. Maybe minor deviations here or there if Vitalik does something or if Elon starts tweeting about BTC again, but they feel like boats on the same tide, just the two most sturdy and unsinkable boats where Dogecoin, etc. are dingys with a hole in the bottom. They're the only two cryptos I consider to be flagships, and as the entire sector goes, they go.
 

SaintsThomas

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Haha I know, when the thread was made Bitcoin was at 4K and Ether was $120. Now Bitcoin is 17K and Ether is $1300. And this is during a bear market :laugh:

Silly silly fools.
These prices being so high only means there are still suckers in this market. Or enough people who lost their wallet key who cant liquidate their position.

Theres nothing fundamental about these prices. No earnings, no legal tenders, no dividend, no essential economic activity that back these values.
 

The Crypto Guy

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These prices being so high only means there are still suckers in this market. Or enough people who lost their wallet key who cant liquidate their position.

Theres nothing fundamental about these prices. No earnings, no legal tenders, no dividend, no essential economic activity that back these values.
It’s ok if you just don’t understand Crypto. For some reason you seem to think they are stocks or something.
 
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Funny fact that the stock market has been just as, if not more volatile over the last 2 years than crypto...
Hey, the stock market is not perfect either and, like with any "gambling", kinda relies on suckers too ;)

It is more structured though and more regulated, though. But, at its core, it has some of the same drawbacks as crypto, indeed.
 

SaintsThomas

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It’s ok if you just don’t understand Crypto. For some reason you seem to think they are stocks or something.
Oh, they are not stocks. At least stocks offer you a legal share of the underlying company, and its value is tied to that company's earnings. Its (speculative) market value still has a fundamental valuations as long as the company stays in business.

Crypto is.. just speculation. The very worst traits of the financial market, with none of the grounding that actually differentiate Wall Street from Las Vegas.

The only way for any one individual to make money off of the Crypto market is for other people to lose the same amount of money. There is no revenue tied to these assets, no legal bond, no actual asset.

Crypto bros who keep encouraging everyone to invest in Crypto are just like people who won big at the poker tables trying to invite more and more newbies to sit down and pour their own hard earned cash at the table that they can take away. "Look, i won 200K$! You too can be rich if you join me at the table!"
 

SaintsThomas

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Currency, Asset, Object and Meme
Oh yhea, ive heard that before.

I won't even address the "meme" part, 'cause if we want to imply economic value in the "lol!!!" factor there is a lot more debating you'll have to.

The closest thing to a good argument this article has is "Object", as in the coins represent some theoretical amount of important resource. But the Crypto market and community is not about ***that***, its about crypto bro bragging that they made 300k$ in the past 3 years. The cryptocurrency market is not interested in a stable commodity market that is used as a medium of exchange: they want peak speculation and more naive investors who believe they can make 300% profit in 2 years. They are Get Rich Quick.

"Currency"? The mean use as a currency bitcoins and other crypto have been used for is to bypass banking regulations and laws. That means it essentially acts as a cover for international criminal activity. Cartels, mafias and terrorist organization have used crypto as a "currency" because for them its the best tool. But for anyone not actually worried about banking regulation interfering in your life, the cryptoassets are simply just not a stable medium, since its value is so volatile. Nobody wants to fix store prices in Bitcoin. Nobody wants to peg their income to the value of the Bitcoin, because the value can fluctuate so wildly you have no idea if your 0.05 Bitcoin paycheck would be worth 2000$, 500$ or 10,000$. The people who are so enthousiast about Crypto are the very ones who undermine its credibility for it to be a reliable currency. And you know why? Because they are poker players, not believers in this use. Only criminals do.

Finally, the "asset" part. That one is hilarious, because the argument as to why crypto currencies are not pointless, fundamentally valueless token is that "they can represent a stable bundle of other fundamentally valueless token". My man, 2008 called and they want their "debt derivatives are not exposed to the same fundamental risks as their underlying debt, because they are BUNDLED" argument back.
 
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QuietContrarian

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Everthing to do with stocks/Crypto is imo a "bad" investment - I actually made quite the profit from crypto, but it does require one to be willing to take the risk. And while there is no denying the volatility and risk associated with cryptocurrencies, it is also important to acknowledge the potential for innovation and growth in the field outside of it being an investment tool.


Most of my portfolio today is made up of passive income investments - The way to go! Debt is not inherently bad, and can be a useful tool in building wealth if used appropriately.

While stocks and bonds may offer more short-term gains, passive income investments provide a more stable source of income that can help you achieve financial independence over the long-term.

Low risk and hands off - It is the lazy mans (smart mans) choice of investment.
 
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SaintsThomas

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Everthing to do with stocks/Crypto is imo a "bad" investment - I actually made quite the profit from crypto, but it does require one to be willing to take the risk. And while there is no denying the volatility and risk associated with cryptocurrencies, it is also important to acknowledge the potential for innovation and growth in the field outside of it being an investment tool.
Im never going to deny the success who manages to win big at the casino or the poker table. I'm sure a lot of people made a lot of money winning gambling, does not make gambling an inherently winning investment strategy 🤣

Now, unless the Crypto currencies actually start being a stand in for a valuable commodity or service of some kind, it will always be fluff on top of fluff, no matter the innovation made. Doesnt mean innovation is thoroughly wasted, i am sure a lot of fields will benefit from the advancements that were achieved through the field of Crypto, with cross-pollination and whatnot.
 
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