Daley Tarasenkshow
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He's played in 209 games compared to Pokulok, Zagrapan, and Bourret who have played 0. That's really why. Sure he's still a bad pick but not a true bust IMO.
Biggest draft bust since 05/06?
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He's played in 209 games compared to Pokulok, Zagrapan, and Bourret who have played 0. That's really why. Sure he's still a bad pick but not a true bust IMO.
TampaBolt
Muck Fichigan!
Almost picked Connolly? Really? After just scoring in 31 goals and 32 assists in 71 games in the AHL, and showing a very good game in his limited 5 games this year? Even Nino had worse numbers than him when they both got stuck in the NHL in the 11-12 season and this year in the AHL.
Dempsey
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-- Here's some good ones, Most of the one's at top are in the 1990's but check them out. And the bottom is like 2005-2007.
1. Pavel Brendl, 1999 No. 4 overall Pick, New York Rangers
2. Daniel Tkaczuk, 1997 No. 6 Overall Pick, Calgary Flames
3. Brett Lindros, 1994 No. 9 Overall Pick, New York Islanders
4. Scott Scissons, 1990 No. 6 Overall Pick, New York Islanders
5. Gilbert Brule
6. Zach Hamill
7. Sasha Pokulok
8. Marek Zagrapan
9. Riku Helenius (G)
10. Nikita Filatov
11. Jack Skille
12. Benoit Pouliot
13. Thomas Hickey
14. Angelo Esposito
15. Matt Pelech
16. Kyle Beach
17. Ryan Stoa
18. Ivan Vishnevskiy
19. Thomas McCollum (G) ?
20. David Fischer
21. Matt Corrente
22. Ryan O'Marra
23. Brian Lee
24. Ty Wishart
25. Patrick White
26. Alex Bourret
27. Ryan Parent
28. Kenndal McArdle
1. Pavel Brendl, 1999 No. 4 overall Pick, New York Rangers
2. Daniel Tkaczuk, 1997 No. 6 Overall Pick, Calgary Flames
3. Brett Lindros, 1994 No. 9 Overall Pick, New York Islanders
4. Scott Scissons, 1990 No. 6 Overall Pick, New York Islanders
5. Gilbert Brule
6. Zach Hamill
7. Sasha Pokulok
8. Marek Zagrapan
9. Riku Helenius (G)
10. Nikita Filatov
11. Jack Skille
12. Benoit Pouliot
13. Thomas Hickey
14. Angelo Esposito
15. Matt Pelech
16. Kyle Beach
17. Ryan Stoa
18. Ivan Vishnevskiy
19. Thomas McCollum (G) ?
20. David Fischer
21. Matt Corrente
22. Ryan O'Marra
23. Brian Lee
24. Ty Wishart
25. Patrick White
26. Alex Bourret
27. Ryan Parent
28. Kenndal McArdle
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BenningHurtsMySoul
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Guys, it's Patrick White. This isn't close.
The guy was taken right before David Perron, flamed out of two consecutive WJC tryout camps where he should have easily made it as a bottom-6 player, put up horrendous numbers two years in a row at college, never played one preseason or AHL game with the Canucks and was basically made available for nothing. Gillis only got Ehrhoff out of him because the Sharks were desperate to make room for Heatley.
He now plays Tier 3 hockey in Germany. Yes, Tier 3. That's close to beer league.
Absolutely horrible pick.
The guy was taken right before David Perron, flamed out of two consecutive WJC tryout camps where he should have easily made it as a bottom-6 player, put up horrendous numbers two years in a row at college, never played one preseason or AHL game with the Canucks and was basically made available for nothing. Gillis only got Ehrhoff out of him because the Sharks were desperate to make room for Heatley.
He now plays Tier 3 hockey in Germany. Yes, Tier 3. That's close to beer league.
Absolutely horrible pick.
Gigantor The Goalie
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.....Duncan Siemens? Really? Why include the 2011 draft and the 2012 draft at all? Siemens has yet to play an NHL game but he's already a bust? Agenda much. Seriously was Siemens already suppose to be winning Norris trophies? I don't expect him to make the NHL roster for two years.
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You really shouldn't put 10/11 or 11/12 on here. Let alone put Murray or Siemens up there as neither are busts, far from it in fact.
Brule, Skille and Hickey get my votes here for top three.
Brule, Skille and Hickey get my votes here for top three.
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The point was, if Gilbert Brule is labeled a bust so is Jordan Staal because it would be totally based off who was picked after them (for Brule it's Kopitar, Staal, Bourdon, Setoguchi) Brule is more of a mismanaged prospect but if he's a bust than so is Jordan Staal or how about Tyler Myers, Luke Schenn, Colin Wilson, Zach Bogosian & more = busts for being picked ahead of Erik Karlsson
I tossed in James Sheppard rather than a "
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Anyway, the only other guy who springs to mind that hasn't been mentioned would be Jack Campbell. I doubt he lives up to 11th overall status but he's only 21 years old so there's plenty of time. He just hasn't looked near as good as the initial hype
At what point will posts like this change from "biggest bust" to "most poorly developed"? The scouting staffs are so good for NHL teams that I don't put that on them that a pick doesn't pan out. For alot of these guys it comes down to how they were handled as opposed to where they were drafted.
Just think about it. When someone is a late round pick, they are given 2-3-4 or more seasons to develop properly, no wonder they hit often. 1st rounders are given 1, maybe 2 seasons to prove themselves worthy of an impact and then we start talking about their development.
Teams need to start giving their 1st rounders the requisite development time, not just throw them into the fire. No wonder guys like Josh, Bailey, Brule and others have failed.
Just think about it. When someone is a late round pick, they are given 2-3-4 or more seasons to develop properly, no wonder they hit often. 1st rounders are given 1, maybe 2 seasons to prove themselves worthy of an impact and then we start talking about their development.
Teams need to start giving their 1st rounders the requisite development time, not just throw them into the fire. No wonder guys like Josh, Bailey, Brule and others have failed.
The point was, if Gilbert Brule is labeled a bust so is Jordan Staal because it would be totally based off who was picked after them (for Brule it's Kopitar, Staal, Bourdon, Setoguchi) Brule is more of a mismanaged prospect but if he's a bust than so is Jordan Staal or how about Tyler Myers, Luke Schenn, Colin Wilson, Zach Bogosian & more = busts for being picked ahead of Erik Karlsson
I tossed in James Sheppard rather than a "
Anyway, the only other guy who springs to mind that hasn't been mentioned would be Jack Campbell. I doubt he lives up to 11th overall status but he's only 21 years old so there's plenty of time. He just hasn't looked near as good as the initial hype
You've just listed above average NHL players. Brule is not an above average NHL player. Long careers, careers that shouldn't be assessed/defined simply by point totals.
Who else was available isn't really that important either. It has nothing to do with their NHL career. Staal isn't a better player than Toews, Backstrom etc, but so what? In the context of this discussion, that doesn't matter.
As for the question, Filatov to me is the most significant.
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Some of these I wouldn't call busts yet. Its way too early to tell. Best example is Dan Cleary, who took 5 years before he proved he could play in the league. He will end up having a 15 year career with his next contract and has been a mainstay for the Wings since he got there. Another was Joe Murphy, who was picked number overall by the Wings, and took a while to gel. I'm a Wings fan and quite frankly the Wings have been less than stellar in the first round in many years. Most recently Ted McCollum looks like he might be a bust, but there's still time as he's only 23. Years before there were picks like Maxim Kuznetsov, Yan Golubovsky, Curtis Bowen, Kory Kocur, Fred Williams, Pierre Guite that were absolute duds.
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Agreed
We could pretty much list every Columbus Blue Jacket first round pick as a bust. I highly doubt it's because they happen to pick the 1 player each year who regresses.
Nikita Filatov - thrown straight into the NHL before he was ready
Gilbert Brule - Had another year of junior left but they put him in the NHL
Jakub Voracek - Had another year of junior left but they put him in the NHL. He didn't bust thankfully because he's now with Philadelphia but he looked like he was about to start regressing with Columbus before the trade and definitely would have benefited from another year of junior.
Derick Brassard- Mismanaged a ton but he's looked great with NYR in the small amount of time there.
Ryan Johansen - Had another year of junior left and they rushed him to the NHL well beforeh e was ready. Time will tell yet but he's not looking like a #4 overall pick.
Nikolai Zherdev - thrown straight into the NHL. Had his moments but didn't develop to his full potential.
Alex Picard - They mismanaged him a ton as well but he was a bit overrated in his draft year.
There's a common theme here, no?
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Daley Tarasenkshow
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As I said it was based off of this years stats. As it is too early to judge who is the bust from those classes.
You cannot lie though, Siemens was not on track this past season.
Daley Tarasenkshow
Schennsational
Exactly. If a player plays in 200 games he is for sure not a bust, unless he was picked top-3. He was just a bad pick.
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Gigantor The Goalie
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That's your problem, you are judging by stats. Duncan Siemens is not an offensive defenseman. Ask Renegade Stylings, he watched Duncan all season long. He's that big nasty Foote type dman that we need.
You almost put Brett Connolly? He was one of the better players in the AHL this year and put up a ton of points. I know Tampa is happy with him, this guy is far from a bust. I think you should actually watch these players before you come to conclusions.
