Injury Report: Barclay Goodrow

[hohosaregood]

...DS9 was the best!

Goodrow is cool but there's too many people with similar sounding names now. Goodrow, Gaudreau, Bruce Boudreau, Gabryel Boudreau, Goodrau,Gaudrow, Goodrow Goodreau Goodreau, goodrow

 

[TheHockeyRant]

It's not really that hard to find out where it is coming from. Many knew it was a bad signing from day one and he has proven that to be true thus far. He's played much better this year than the past two that he was in for which isn't saying much. He's still not living up to his contract with how he's looked now. As for comparing him to Scott or Brown, those two have a very specific role on this team and generally fulfill that role when called upon. Burish does not. Looking at their GA/60 this season on the PK is a ridiculously small sample size and isn't apples to apples. Burish is a secondary killer. Marleau and Pavs are primary. Thornton barely sees PK time at all.

Burish is just overpaid and very replaceable. He's just very easy to dislike given his antics and hockey sense when he is on the ice. Given the current status of the team, it isn't nearly as important to get rid of him since they aren't using the cap space anyway but if he's in a young guy's way who is better than him then he should be one of the first to go...him or Kennedy.

Well at the time the Sharks needed to replace Nichol on the 4th line, and get help on the PK. Nichol did not do a good job replacing Malhotra the year he left. The PK was crap at the time and they had no one to take face-offs on the 4th line when Nichol was gone in 2012. Enter Burish, he fulfilled the roles perfectly.

Of course there was no way of knowing Desjardins would turn into a better player. Do you remember how CRAP he was his first 1-2 seasons.

Heck both McGinn and Desi in the lineup guaranteed the Sharks three things, they would take bad penalties, sometimes 5 minute majors, have great games followed by horrible games, and would always be caught out of position. Yet, they both figured out how to become better hockey players. But yea it really isn't Wilson's fault that Desi ended up taking Burish role. The overall price for Burish wasn't terrible (at the time), but the term was horrific.

 

[SJeasy]

Well at the time the Sharks needed to replace Nichol on the 4th line, and get help on the PK. Nichol did not do a good job replacing Malhotra the year he left. The PK was crap at the time and they had no one to take face-offs on the 4th line when Nichol was gone in 2012. Enter Burish, he fulfilled the roles perfectly.

Of course there was no way of knowing Desjardins would turn into a better player. Do you remember how CRAP he was his first 1-2 seasons.

Heck both McGinn and Desi in the lineup guaranteed the Sharks three things, they would take bad penalties, sometimes 5 minute majors, have great games followed by horrible games, and would always be caught out of position. Yet, they both figured out how to become better hockey players. But yea it really isn't Wilson's fault that Desi ended up taking Burish role. The overall price for Burish wasn't terrible (at the time), but the term was horrific.

Start reading the advanced stats.

Nichol was OK on PK, roughly the same as Malhotra. J. McGinn was horrible on possession. He did have a hot streak scoring (which makes everyone think that he was better than he was). Burish never put up good PK stats for anyone. He was signed after getting a lot of minutes on third line to produce below 3rd line level for Dallas. Cut Burish's minutes and the points go away. Malhotra was good on possession, not so good on scoring (especially playoffs). Winnik had a history of good PK and possession stats, again not much scoring touch.

After you read, check a little deeper. Handzus got a lot of PK minutes for LA and they had a good kill. But check the others on LA and it turns out Richards was the PK demon with the really good numbers. Handzus was middling by league standards on a very good PK team. After understanding the circumstances, you would be better able to validate your opinion. After that you can go into SJ's PK which got bad because of a style change initiated by the coaches. The Sharks are back to a better style which should bring players numbers more in line with those leaguewide.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well at the time the Sharks needed to replace Nichol on the 4th line, and get help on the PK. Nichol did not do a good job replacing Malhotra the year he left. The PK was crap at the time and they had no one to take face-offs on the 4th line when Nichol was gone in 2012. Enter Burish, he fulfilled the roles perfectly.

Of course there was no way of knowing Desjardins would turn into a better player. Do you remember how CRAP he was his first 1-2 seasons.

Heck both McGinn and Desi in the lineup guaranteed the Sharks three things, they would take bad penalties, sometimes 5 minute majors, have great games followed by horrible games, and would always be caught out of position. Yet, they both figured out how to become better hockey players. But yea it really isn't Wilson's fault that Desi ended up taking Burish role. The overall price for Burish wasn't terrible (at the time), but the term was horrific.

Well, you don't pay someone close to two mil for the 4th line. That's 3rd line level money. Nichol wasn't a Malhotra replacement either. Malhotra was a 3rd liner. Nichol was a 4th liner and that didn't change when Malhotra left because they picked up Handzus (another mistake). The PK was crap because of coaching more than anything. And even if Burish was meant to replace Nichol, he didn't do that either because he didn't take draws as Desi did that and was worse than Nichol on the PK.

Desi was fine in his first couple seasons for the role he was in that he's still in. McGinn was alright but was limited in his contributions and since he wouldn't get a real opportunity here, wasn't going to improve until he did. The trade to Colorado helped him take the next step. But with Burish, the price for him was bad from the get-go to those that knew what he was going to bring. He's overpaid at 1.8 mil for a 4th liner and had a stupid term. That was a 3rd liner's contract and he's never been a 3rd liner. Some people thought he was going to come in here and help build a shutdown line...that never happened.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

McGinn blew every opportunity he had here. They wanted him to become a fixture but he never grabbed it and ran with it like Wingels has.

 

[KirbyDots]

...DS9 was the best!

Goodrow is cool but there's too many people with similar sounding names now. Goodrow, Gaudreau, Bruce Boudreau, Gabryel Boudreau, Goodrau,Gaudrow, Goodrow Goodreau Goodreau, goodrow

Agreed on both counts.

 

[Coily]

Needs a title change. Though he was hurt again...

 

[TheHockeyRant]

Start reading the advanced stats.

Nichol was OK on PK, roughly the same as Malhotra. J. McGinn was horrible on possession. He did have a hot streak scoring (which makes everyone think that he was better than he was). Burish never put up good PK stats for anyone. He was signed after getting a lot of minutes on third line to produce below 3rd line level for Dallas. Cut Burish's minutes and the points go away. Malhotra was good on possession, not so good on scoring (especially playoffs). Winnik had a history of good PK and possession stats, again not much scoring touch.

After you read, check a little deeper. Handzus got a lot of PK minutes for LA and they had a good kill. But check the others on LA and it turns out Richards was the PK demon with the really good numbers. Handzus was middling by league standards on a very good PK team. After understanding the circumstances, you would be better able to validate your opinion. After that you can go into SJ's PK which got bad because of a style change initiated by the coaches. The Sharks are back to a better style which should bring players numbers more in line with those leaguewide.

Malhotra was great as was Nichol. But when Malhotra left Nichol was not good. his possession numbers in 2012 were HORRIBLE. Burish numbers are better than Nichol's in 2012.
At the end of the day, your opinion, is no more valid than my opinion know that. An opinion is an opinion for a reason. Don't think you are high and mighty.

Well, you don't pay someone close to two mil for the 4th line. That's 3rd line level money. Nichol wasn't a Malhotra replacement either. Malhotra was a 3rd liner. Nichol was a 4th liner and that didn't change when Malhotra left because they picked up Handzus (another mistake). The PK was crap because of coaching more than anything. And even if Burish was meant to replace Nichol, he didn't do that either because he didn't take draws as Desi did that and was worse than Nichol on the PK.

Desi was fine in his first couple seasons for the role he was in that he's still in. McGinn was alright but was limited in his contributions and since he wouldn't get a real opportunity here, wasn't going to improve until he did. The trade to Colorado helped him take the next step. But with Burish, the price for him was bad from the get-go to those that knew what he was going to bring. He's overpaid at 1.8 mil for a 4th liner and had a stupid term. That was a 3rd liner's contract and he's never been a 3rd liner. Some people thought he was going to come in here and help build a shutdown line...that never happened.

In the 2011 playoffs Malhotra played on the 4th line. In the 2012 playoffs Nichol played on the 4th line.

 

[WTFetus]

In the 2011 playoffs Malhotra played on the 4th line. In the 2012 playoffs Nichol played on the 4th line.

Assuming you mean 2010 for Malhotra and 2011 for Nichol, since comparing TOI while on two different teams doesn't help.

In 2010, Malhotra was on the 3rd line. The 4th line consisted of a mix of Nichol, McGinn, Ortmeyer, and Helminen.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

In the 2011 playoffs Malhotra played on the 4th line. In the 2012 playoffs Nichol played on the 4th line.

Um...no. One, you're a year ahead on both counts. Two, Malhotra was on the 3rd line. Three, neither were paid combined what Burish currently makes.

 

[67 others]

...DS9 was the best!

Goodrow is cool but there's too many people with similar sounding names now. Goodrow, Gaudreau, Bruce Boudreau, Gabryel Boudreau, Goodrau,Gaudrow, Goodrow Goodreau Goodreau, goodrow

DS9 was easily the best.
Similar sounding names are no problem if we go with "Broccoli".
Fits with Pickles haha and Goodrow mentioned on twitter the use of that name on occasion when someone brought it up

 

[stator]

McGinn blew every opportunity he had here. They wanted him to become a fixture but he never grabbed it and ran with it like Wingels has.

I agree. Watching McGinn play, he never seemed to seek the advantageous position in the open ice. I usually noticed him in a clog with other Sharks. I think he needs more development. The Sharks having an abundant amount of 3rd and 4th wingers doesn't help his case at this point.

Interesting, I remember Jamie much the same way bouncing between the AHL and the Sharks' organization. He certainly has achieved more on the Avs though.

Perhaps the Sharks are thinking the same for Tye except for the trading part? I'd say trade him for a good defenseman if possible.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I agree. Watching McGinn play, he never seemed to seek the advantageous position in the open ice. I usually noticed him in a clog with other Sharks. I think he needs more development. The Sharks having an abundant amount of 3rd and 4th wingers doesn't help his case at this point.

Interesting, I remember Jamie much the same way bouncing between the AHL and the Sharks' organization. He certainly has achieved more on the Avs though.

Perhaps the Sharks are thinking the same for Tye except for the trading part? I'd say trade him for a good defenseman if possible.

I was talking about Jamie.