Speculation: Babcock and Nylander - Back for another year, here'$ why

[Ziggdiezan]

No player would ever get traded in the NHL if you were to use circular reasoning like this.

If player's performance is down -> Keep him, let him get his performance up

If player's performance is up -> Keep him, he's performing as he should

Basically sets up Nylander as some untouchable piece that can't be moved irrespective of performance, team needs, and cap realities - which to me is a bit ridiculous.

He had a lot of circumstances this past year that contributed to a poor half season. It would be crazy to trade him at this point rather than say putting him with Matthews for a year and then trading him if you really wanted.

 

[Bomber0104]

He had a lot of circumstances this past year that contributed to a poor half season. It would be crazy to trade him at this point rather than say putting him with Matthews for a year and then trading him if you really wanted.

If these "circumstances" that contributed to his poor season are so easily observable as you put it, then other GM's would be aware of it to and value him accordingly...

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If these "circumstances" that contributed to his poor season are so easily observable as you put it, then other GM's would be aware of it to and value him accordingly...

Every GM would still be trying to get Nylander as cheap as possible and they would have some stats to back up their low asks

 

[Bomber0104]

Every GM would still be trying to get Nylander as cheap as possible and they would have some stats to back up their low asks

And that's why we have a GM of our own whose job it is to dictate the asking price for a winger like Nylander, and to not let a rival GM tell us what he's worth.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

And that's why we have a GM of our own whose job it is to dictate the asking price for a winger like Nylander, and to not let a rival GM tell us what he's worth.

Agreed and I doubt any GM will offer a package for Nylander this summer that makes Dubas think twice.

 

[socko]

Babcock and Nylander - Back for another year, here'$ why.

Here's why not.... This is the tying goal for game 6, right here.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Forget philosophy differences. Forget the talent and youth question.

Both of these guys will be back for the simple reason that ending their tenure in Toronto would expose significant ineptitude on the part of Shanahan and to some extent Dubas.

Nylander
Nylander will have received over $20MM in cash from the Leafs as of July 1st. His salary for next year is $700k. Moving him this offseason would amount to $20MM in payment for 4 months work.

Yes, the contract is attractive to trade but only because the money truck had a Leaf logo on it. If you were negotiating with the intent to trade, you've got to offer some protection to your employer.

Babcock
The $6.25MM coach has 4 years left on his contract. Leafs would be paying him $25MM to go away and to find a job to coach against the team.

This was Shanahan's pick. And an 8 year contract was approved by the Board.

Riding the Leafs of these two would be a move to cover up for "mistakes" at a cost of $45MM.

The Leafs have deep pockets. Yes. However, as much as this is a hockey game, this is a political game and a business. This would be gross mismanagement of financial resources.

I do not believe either would benefit from calling their judgement into question at this time.

You guys are all focusing on reasons and not the politics or the financial mismanagement.

It's a business.

This would be a blunder of significant proportions.

Damn Pookie, you're being too practical & business oriented .......

 

[Gallagbi]

Here's why not.... This is the tying goal for game 6, right here.

Tying goal?

 

[AreBe]

Why move Nylander, he looks like he could be. 2nd line center if Kadri is moved in a couple years.

Matthews Tavares Marner
Korshkov Nylander Kapanen

Nylander brings too much skill to the table, Leafs Nation does not approve.

Leafs Nation wants to drive young kids out of town, as fast as possible, for a good, hard hitting, grinding grizzled veteran who brings all sorts of intangibles together with their torn ACLs. Nylander is going to win Stanley Cups, just not here, if Leafs NAtion has its way. Nylander hoisting the cup in Toronto? Leafs Nation says ,"Not happenen'"

If you support Dubas and his Age of Reason commitment to advanced analytics and ranking players in a spreadsheet, then you support paying more today for what a player is projected to become and take advantage of inflation in the salary cap so that agreement looks like a heck of a deal for the team in the future, and if you are more in the intangibles rather than speed, skill and analytics camp, then you want to pay for past performance, embrace the law of diminishing returns, and seek to have expensive deadweight on the books. Pro Nylander people see the benefits of paying for future performance and the law of increasing returns, and embrace this new way of thinking. Compared to paying grizzled veterans for past performance, paying young players lots and control them as the salary cap grows is in fact the smart move.

Look at it this way: Nylander is staying and we are embracing speed and skill for modern hockey and not from 1999. It's a feel-good story concerning the ascension of logic and math based decision making. It's about paying players in a salary cap era in such a way that you get younger, faster and stronger in order to build a winner, rather than the Leafs Nation preferred older, slower and weaker path to some form of a known and unpleasant result, watching former young Leafs win cups far, far, away. It's an educated guess to pay more today for results tomorrow, but we know for certain that an unrestricted free agent is only going to deteriorate, but the smart move is to do what Dubas is doing, even if it is a bit of gamblin'

 

[Its not your fault]

If hes on Matthew's wing (where he should be) as the playmaker on the line ppg could be within reach. Especially if Babs actually starts to play his main guys more

Not a good idea but hey the one way to do that is let Travares Nylander Mathews Kadri if still in the plans all double shift as a 4th line center Kadri to the 3rd line wing with Goat as the Centre. Im joking

 

[Its not your fault]

However Talent should see Ice time. Nylander should be a better player next year.

 

[Sypher04]

Here's why not.... This is the tying goal for game 6, right here.

There has been way too much made of this clip. He was playing center and both his wingers were in front of him, he hasn't played the role enough to be confident he will be covered and if he jumped up with no support he'd get it worse. He's just overthinking is all

I could find you a 14 second clip of any player in the league that'd make them look bad

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Here's why not.... This is the tying goal for game 6, right here.

I don't know what he was doing there, but his shift was just over a minute long and dead-tired.

I'm confused as to what he's doing on that play, but I'm also confused as to why he didn't go for line-change when he was supposed to, as opposed to sticking out there for an extra shift with Moore-Gauthier.

 

[Gallagbi]

There has been way too much made of this clip. He was playing center and both his wingers were in front of him, he hasn't played the role enough to be confident he will be covered and if he jumped up with no support he'd get it worse. He's just overthinking is all

It's the body language more than the play IMO

 

[Sypher04]

It's the body language more than the play IMO

If the previous post here is accurate, about his shift having been over a minute at that point, he was probably just gassed.

 

[SwaggySpungo]

Shanny and co. can't afford to waste another year of this cores prime. You only get so many chances.

We are paying 20m for Clarkson(taking in Hortons deal) to go away. We can do the same with Babcock.

Rich people don’t get rich by flushing tens of millions of dollars down the toilet.

OP is right.

 

[Pookie]

Here's why not.... This is the tying goal for game 6, right here.

It’s a shame all the data collected on him resulted in the contract the team agreed to then.

 

[rumman]

He’d also have to explain why they gave Nylander $20 mil in real cash for a mere 7 months and 7 goals/27 points.

That would sure take a lot of explaining.

 

[rumman]

Every GM would still be trying to get Nylander as cheap as possible and they would have some stats to back up their low asks

yeah, but one of them wouldn't be "elite" zone entries.

 

[rumman]

Here's why not.... This is the tying goal for game 6, right here.

this never gets old, Pro Nylander's defend away.................

 

[socko]

If you guys like Nylander so much, I bet we could get Drouin dirt cheap. That would almost be as good as cloning. Then we could celebrate two floaters and argue over who floated better.

 

[NastyKnies]

Nylander is going nowhere FYI.

 

[egd27]

If need a goal late in game 7. Load up.

Quite different than what your other post suggested.
That had Kadri moved and Nylander as 2nd line centre.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Quite different than what your other post suggested.
That had Kadri moved and Nylander as 2nd line centre.

There are options.

 

[Sweet Leaf]

Does Nylander have any friends on the team other than Kapanen?

I mean we see the other guys are tight on and off the ice. Reilly, Marner, Naz, Gardiner, Matthews, Marleau...they always seem to be in the middle of everything together on and off the ice and Nylander just seems to be some quiet dude that likes to talk to Kappy.