Value of: Availability Of Erik Karlsson

[Gecklund]

Youre also not winning a single thing with EK on your team now, so why does it matter theyre worse? That way youre not stuck in limbo for the next 7 years

We also aren’t winning anything with Gio/Lucic/2nd so why would they do it?

 

[nbwingsfan]

We also aren’t winning anything with Gio/Lucic/2nd so why would they do it?

Because their contracts are shorter than Karlsson so youre out of limbo hell much sooner? This isnt that hard to understand.

 

[Gecklund]

Because their contracts are shorter than Karlsson so youre out of limbo hell much sooner? This isnt that hard to understand.

But it is. The point is to win. Karlsson gives us a better chance. We aren’t paying or taking your garbage to get rid of him.

 

[mriswith]

Sharks fans ITT are either delusional or just don't understand the salary cap, or both.

The only potential trade for Karlsson would be swapping him for Bobrovsky straight up. Allow yourself to end the rebuild a year earlier.

Whoevers team Karlsson is on, will be rebuilding from 2024-2027 because it is not possible to compete with him on the roster at that point with that cap hit. Top 5 bad contract in the league.

 

[Chabot84]

if fine you mean regular season success and playoff flameouts, then sure. They are fine

Im sure anyone with eyes can see that Toronto has as good a shot (or better) at coming out of the North this year.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Youre also not winning a single thing with EK on your team now, so why does it matter theyre worse? That way youre not stuck in limbo for the next 7 years

They're not in limbo because of Karlsson. Karlsson was fine before this season. They can chalk it up to a bad year with an unusual set of circumstances to start the season after having not played for about nine months. Jones and Vlasic have been bad for many years now while also getting subpar seasons out of Meier for a second year in a row. That's close to 19 mil of disappointing play that predates Karlsson's struggles this year.

If this was literally the only person between those four and Couture that they could move then you'd maybe consider it but I highly doubt that's the case.

 

[Chabot84]

If you want 12 million $ Karlsson then why put on a leash on him? Structure your team around him and let him run your offense like he did on the Sens. You don’t sign the guy for 11 million or whatever and then demote him and shackle him. He used to be free as a bird.. his confidence was almost arrogance.. his hair blew in the wind. Where did his swagger go?

 

[nbwingsfan]

But it is. The point is to win. Karlsson gives us a better chance. We aren’t paying or taking your garbage to get rid of him.

No the point is to win a cup. You arent doing that with Karlsson making $11M a season for the next 7 seasons on a massive decline. Its absolutely shocking you can't understand this. If you can get out of that contract you would in a second but it's top 3 worst in the league.

Sorry you guys missed your Cup, but you're 7 years away minimum unless you find a way to rid that contract

 

[nbwingsfan]

They're not in limbo because of Karlsson. Karlsson was fine before this season. They can chalk it up to a bad year with an unusual set of circumstances to start the season after having not played for about nine months. Jones and Vlasic have been bad for many years now while also getting subpar seasons out of Meier for a second year in a row. That's close to 19 mil of disappointing play that predates Karlsson's struggles this year.

If this was literally the only person between those four and Couture that they could move then you'd maybe consider it but I highly doubt that's the case.

Karlsson is absolutely part of the problem. An offensive D being paid $11M (highest in tge league) while declining and not putting up much offense while having 7 more years is a MAJOR issue.

 

[McVespa99]

He would cost a ton more than any team would be willing to pay so no not available.

Your being sarcastic right? You would have to heavily retain or include some first rounders with him to get anyone to trade you a conditional 7th for him.

 

[Gecklund]

No the point is to win a cup. You arent doing that with Karlsson making $11M a season for the next 7 seasons on a massive decline. Its absolutely shocking you can't understand this. If you can get out of that contract you would in a second but it's top 3 worst in the league.

Sorry you guys missed your Cup, but you're 7 years away minimum unless you find a way to rid that contract

Wonderful. I don’t know what Karlsson did to you but you seem to have some kind of personal vendetta against him.

Your being sarcastic right? You would have to heavily retain or include some first rounders with him to get anyone to trade you a conditional 7th for him.

It’s fun to read the thread and not just spew stupidity.

 

[McVespa99]

Wonderful. I don’t know what Karlsson did to you but you seem to have some kind of personal vendetta against him.

It’s fun to read the thread and not just spew stupidity.

How is that stupidity? It seems that most posters on here agree with me. He could be waved today and no team would touch him even if they had a pile of extra cap space.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Karlsson is absolutely part of the problem. An offensive D being paid $11M (highest in tge league) while declining and not putting up much offense while having 7 more years is a MAJOR issue.

Only if you believe he won't bounce back and produce. There's plenty of reasons to believe that he will. There's little motivation for the Sharks to sell low after one bad statistical season when at best they wouldn't get much or at worst would have to pay dearly to trade him. They're only going to move him if he asks out.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Wonderful. I don’t know what Karlsson did to you but you seem to have some kind of personal vendetta against him.

It’s fun to read the thread and not just spew stupidity.

No it's just a fact that even most Sharks fans realize Karlsson has one of the worst and immovable contracts in the league

 

[nbwingsfan]

Only if you believe he won't bounce back and produce. There's plenty of reasons to believe that he will. There's little motivation for the Sharks to sell low after one bad statistical season when at best they wouldn't get much or at worst would have to pay dearly to trade him. They're only going to move him if he asks out.

His 19/20 season wasnt close to worth $11M a season either. Its really been three continuously worse seasons in a row. Most of that is probably due to the countless injuries he keeps suffering and that's not likely to get better.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

His 19/20 season wasnt close to worth $11M a season either. Its really been three continuously worse seasons in a row. Most of that is probably due to the countless injuries he keeps suffering and that's not likely to get better.

I can live with a near 60 point pace for a season that year. He's had no injury concerns this year in a compressed schedule. I get that it's likely impossible for him to ever live up to an 11.5 mil cap figure but he has to have consecutive seasons being well below that value to worry about it. They have much bigger concerns to worry about before dealing with Karlsson and he'd need to be this bad statistically next season to really warrant this sort of conversation especially given what kind of season this has been.

 

[GoldenSeal]

No the point is to win a cup. You arent doing that with Karlsson making $11M a season for the next 7 seasons on a massive decline. Its absolutely shocking you can't understand this. If you can get out of that contract you would in a second but it's top 3 worst in the league.

Sorry you guys missed your Cup, but you're 7 years away minimum unless you find a way to rid that contract

If I’m the Sharks, I’d keep the contract because no one‘a going to take on that contract and do the Sharks a favor and because EK is a piece of their puzzle if they want to win a Cup. Team needs netminding and depth before anything else.

 

[nbwingsfan]

If I’m the Sharks, I’d keep the contract because no one‘a going to take on that contract and do the Sharks a favor and because EK is a piece of their puzzle if they want to win a Cup. Team needs netminding and depth before anything else.

With their current core theyre not coming anywhere close to a Cup

Jones, Burns and Vlasic all also have negative contracts like Karlsson and probably the worst prospect pool in the league.

They had a long window, but they missed their Cup and it's likely a longggg ways away before they get another shot

 

[Gecklund]

No it's just a fact that even most Sharks fans realize Karlsson has one of the worst and immovable contracts in the league

Okay but he’s still a productive player so why are we paying to move him if it does nothing for us? You keep posting shit and not answering this. We aren’t winning with or without him.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Okay but he’s still a productive player so why are we paying to move him if it does nothing for us? You keep posting shit and not answering this. We aren’t winning with or without him.

Because if you keep him for the next 7 years youve essentially given up on building a contender for 7 years and wont be properly rebuilding either. Youll be in that 5-10 spot that eveey team hates.

This is why good and productive players are traded for nothing or are paid to leave all the time.

San Jose will rid of him as soon as they realistically can.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I would not touch him. 30 years old, signed 6 more years are 11.5 and comes with warning signs. Put me in the camp that I think his best days are behind him

 

[Gecklund]

Because if you keep him for the next 7 years youve essentially given up on building a contender for 7 years and wont be properly rebuilding either. Youll be in that 5-10 spot that eveey team hates.

This is why good and productive players are traded for nothing or are paid to leave all the time.

San Jose will rid of him as soon as they realistically can.

How many are as good or productive as EK? Absolutely none.

 

[nbwingsfan]

How many are as good or productive as EK? Absolutely none.

How many are as good as a guy pacing for 34pts as an offensive D while making $11.5M.... uhhh... Most of them?

Your own fans are admitting youre wrong here

 

[Gecklund]

How many are as good as a guy pacing for 34pts as an offensive D while making $11.5M.... uhhh... Most of them?

Are you sure? I’d love to see a list of the guys who create offensive on their own and are just stuck on a bad team.

 

[Mick Jagr]

Doug Wilson shit that bed and now he's the one who has the lay in it. He couldn't help himself mortgaging the Sharks future for Karlsson... when he already had Burns and Vlasic making big $$$$ Nobody is going to want to touch any of those contracts now, EK's included.