Narow
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How many 70 point seasons do matthews have^^?How many 40 goal seasons does barkov have?
Hahaha you could put the goals at 30 and it would be the same answer :p
How many 70 point seasons do matthews have^^?How many 40 goal seasons does barkov have?
This is why Leafs fans are forbidden to mention Matthews paceIt took barkov 5 seasons to crack 70
Are you arguing that his on-ice shooting is high purely because of his own prevalence as a shooter? Because that might make sense if we're combining the past two seasons, but the discussion has been about this one, where, as you say, his linemates are shooting above average and he himself is shooting over 19%. Both are generally unsustainable.
If we combine the two seasons to make their on-ice percentages more normalized, Matthews ends up with a 2.45 P/60 and Barkov with a 2.22 P/60. So while Matthews is better, the difference isn't large.
Matthews is also the better goalscorer and relies less on second assists, though while last year you could argue he was unlucky there, it seems by now his game might not be conducive to getting them, and I'm not sure they hold much less value when coking from the best player on a line who generally carries the play. Still, Matthews is probably better offensively by more than I originally thought. He's not Barkov defensively, but also good there, so overall I don't see how it's not very close.
So you're saying Matthews is a better scorer, but Barkov makes his linemates better ? That's what those numbers tell us.I'm saying that Matthews being a shoot-first center and the most efficient 5v5 goal scorer since the data has been tracked means his numbers are mostly divorced from his oish%. A playmaking center whose assists make up 2/3 of his 5v5 points are more subject to his teammate's finishing abilities and luck. With Matthews, the equation is inverted and his teammate's point totals fluctuate with his finishing abilities.
There hasn't really been a player like Matthews before so understanding his offensive dominance takes a little digging.
For example,
Barkov has played 84.4% of his 5v5 time on ice with Dadonov, Huberdeau & Bjugstad. They have an averaged P/60 of 2.42, 0.01 less than Barkov. When on the ice with them, Barkov has a averaged P/60 of 2.52, and they have an averaged P/60 of 2.75. So, his linemates out-score him when they play with him by about 9% and he out-scores them by <1% overall.
Matthews has played 80.6% of his 5v5 time on ice with Hyman and Nylander. They have an average P/60 of 2.13, 0.89 less than Matthews. When on the ice with them, Matthews has an average P/60 of 2.90, and they have an averaged P/60 of 2.31.
So, Matthews out-scores them when on the ice together by 26% and overall by 37%.
Matthews is clearly the more dominant presence offensively, it's just not evident in the raw totals.
I was backing up Regal's post (185) by adding the extra fact that he has the highest on ice shooting % since 2009-2010. No matter how good his release is (excellent) or where his shots come from (excellent) he is going to regress in on ice shooting %. It will happen. What anyone wants to do with this information and how they want to twist it is their call.