ATD2018 - Draft Thread 3

[Johnny Engine]

Chuck Rayner, backup goalie

 

[BenchBrawl]

Yeah, I had one draft where I got screwed for playing games with my centers. Best defense in the league, among the best wingers. Good goalie and coach. But centers sunk me.

Yeah, never again.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Chuck Rayner, backup goalie

Good pick, liked Rayner when I had him some years ago.

So what happened to all the vsx data etc? The tables are broken from the merge. I saved very little myself.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/reference-vsx-comprehensive-summary-1927-to-2017.2215905/

 

[jarek]

Yeah, never again.

I was kind of playing with fire a little bit this draft but I think my great center depth makes up for it.

 

[Canadiens1958]

Walsh is the guy I was thinking of moving McKenney to the wing for. Just didn't want to deal with the headache of proving McKenney can play the wing.. not for a 4th liner.

Played LW with Keon on the 1964 SC champions Leafs the whole playoffs.

 

[jarek]

Played LW with Keon on the 1964 SC champions Leafs the whole playoffs.

One of his better playoff runs too. Interesting.

Oh well, too late now. I don't think whether I have Walsh or Hadfield on my 4th line is going to make much of a difference.

I just liked the idea because Walsh as a primarily goal scoring center should have good chemistry with a playmaking guy like McKenney, and he also brings oodles of intangibles to a 4th line.

Very short career though.

 

[Habsfan18]

Brian Campbell, can someone PM next I'm at work and not supposed to be on phone

This pick surprises me for a team that already has Coffey and Housley. Campbell was a solid player, don’t get me wrong. But that’s 3 of your 6 defenseman that can be considered somewhat of defensive liabilities. Especially if you slot Campbell in that spot beside Housley on your 3rd pairing. They’ll get eaten alive, IMO.

Campbell isn’t a MAJOR liability out there, but he shouldn’t be known for solid defensive play at the ATD level. You’d select him for his offense, and it just seems odd for a team that already has Coffey, Housley and Blake.

Anyways, just my opinion of course.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

It looks like Johnny Engine was actually skipped at 7:07 AM EST, so kruezer has until 1:07 PM EST.

kruezer PM'd

 

[Habsfan18]

It looks like Johnny Engine was actually skipped at 7:07 AM EST, so kruezer has until 1:07 PM EST.

kruezer PM'd

He picked Rayner. We just need the OP updated.

Edit: Nevermind, I see what you mean now.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Speaking of VsX, it would be useful to publish the entire ESVsX table for ATD bottom-sixers.Perhaps next year.Hockey Outsider or another Excel ninja might be able to help out in this regard.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

So what happened to all the vsx data etc? The tables are broken from the merge. I saved very little myself.

I added that to a new thread - http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/reference-vsx-comprehensive-summary-1927-to-2017.2215905/

 

[Habsfan18]

Looks like @kruezer has 7 minutes until he’s skipped.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Speaking of VsX, it would be useful to publish the entire ESVsX table for ATD bottom-sixers.Perhaps next year.Hockey Outsider or another Excel ninja might be able to help out in this regard.

If someone has already calculated the benchmarks, I can probably calculate that (standard stuff like best 7/10 years) in under an hour.

 

[BenchBrawl]

If someone has already calculated the benchmarks, I can probably calculate that (standard stuff like best 7/10 years) in under an hour.

Awesome! I don't have the benchmarks, but others here do.So anyone with the complete benchmarks who sees this can send them to you.Thanks a lot

 

[jarek]

If someone has already calculated the benchmarks, I can probably calculate that (standard stuff like best 7/10 years) in under an hour.

It already exists in this thread ask Sprague cleghorn

 

[TorontoTrades]

This pick surprises me for a team that already has Coffey and Housley. Campbell was a solid player, don’t get me wrong. But that’s 3 of your 6 defenseman that can be considered somewhat of defensive liabilities. Especially if you slot Campbell in that spot beside Housley on your 3rd pairing. They’ll get eaten alive, IMO.

Campbell isn’t a MAJOR liability out there, but he shouldn’t be known for solid defensive play at the ATD level. You’d select him for his offense, and it just seems odd for a team that already has Coffey, Housley and Blake.

Anyways, just my opinion of course.

I think Campbell was pretty steady defensively. Not enough to carry a pairing but not someone that needs to be carried defensively.

Not 100% On my pairings. Housley is likely to slide to my secret weapon #7 position.

 

[BenchBrawl]

@kruezer was skipped

PMing next

 

[Johnny Engine]

I think Campbell was pretty steady defensively. Not enough to carry a pairing but not someone that needs to be carried defensively.

Not 100% On my pairings. Housley is likely to slide to my secret weapon #7 position.

That's a questionable decision based on where you drafted him, and the value of guys you'll be giving regular ice time to in his stead.
However, I'd like to spend a bit more time on spares in my assassinations this year. I'm not sure how much they'll move the needle in the overall vote, but we should try to at least perceive and appreciate what they're bringing to each team - and Housley would be among the most interesting to talk about.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I had Brian Campbell as a spare last year, really like him.Great skater, mobility, even open-ice hits.Good option for a bottom pairing or spare.

 

[kruezer]

Sorry for you the delay!

Seattle is happy to select LW Veniamin Alexandrov

 

[Dreakmur]

I had Brian Campbell as a spare last year, really like him.Great skater, mobility, even open-ice hits.Good option for a bottom pairing or spare.

Aside from that classic RJ Umberger destruction, Campbell wasn't really much of a physical presence was he? I certainly don't ever remember viewing him that way... which was why the above hit was so surprising to me.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Aside from that classic RJ Umberger destruction, Campbell wasn't really much of a physical presence was he? I certainly don't ever remember viewing him that way... which was why the above hit was so surprising to me.

Maybe you're right, I haven't focused on Campbell enough to really remember how much he laid out those.But what a hit!

 

[Habsfan18]

I think Campbell was pretty steady defensively. Not enough to carry a pairing but not someone that needs to be carried defensively.

Not 100% On my pairings. Housley is likely to slide to my secret weapon #7 position.

You may have a plan, and I’m not trying to come across like a jerk or anything. I just look at your D that includes Paul Coffey, Phil Housley, Brian Campbell and Rob Blake and although that’s some serious offense from the backend, I wonder just how they’ll stop some of these mega ATD scoring lines. Adam Foote and Harry Howell will seriously have their work cut out for them.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Aside from that classic RJ Umberger destruction, Campbell wasn't really much of a physical presence was he? I certainly don't ever remember viewing him that way... which was why the above hit was so surprising to me.

Campbell was not very physical at all during his time in Chicago.

Waiting to hear from papershoes on a couple options for this pick, but I won't wait the entire clock for him

 

[BenchBrawl]

Campbell was not very physical at all during his time in Chicago.

Waiting to hear from papershoes on a couple options for this pick, but I won't wait the entire clock for him

Would be interesting to hear from a Buffalo and Florida fan too.Those things can be inconsistent from year to year, especially for open ice hits supported mostly by skating mobility.

Subban also laid out some neat open-ice hits, where he would hit with his back.But as far as I recall, those weren't regular (even if as a whole, Subban was more physical than Campbell for sure).