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Hawkey Town 18

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Lineup advice continued...

@tony d
Looks like Dutton and Griffis should switch sides
Put Datsyuk on PP2 over Mayorov
Feels like the top PK pair should be Chara - Orr, but then you have 2 RHS D on the 2nd unit, tough to know what the tradeoff is there


@The Macho King
Tim Kerr is basically a PP specialist, he needs to be on one of the units. I'd put him on the 1st unit as a net front presence, move Blake to PP2 and take Keon off the PP.
Pavelich feels like a better PKer than Blake, I'd switch them.
Doughty and Hitchman should switch sides on the PK
It seems like there's not enough puck moving on your 2nd pair, Lowe and Hitchman are both defensive Dmen. I'd think about moving Giordano to the second pair and Lowe to the 3rd. What do the rest of you think about this? All 4 of those guys were LD, so no help there.


@tabness
I really don't like Svehla or Duchesne on a top unit. It seems you had a plan, but here's how I'd arrange them...
Potvin - Egan
Ramsey - Quackenbush
Tinordi/Duchesne - K. Hatcher

EDIT: PK D Potvin - Quack and Ramsey - Hatcher

I'm a little confused on your PP units as you have 3 listed and a lot of overlap between them. I'd go with this:
PP1: Goulet - Yzerman - Lindros - Egan - Potvin
PP2: Mogily - Hawerchuk - Kurri - Hatcher - Quackenbush

You have no one to take draws on the 1st PK unit. I'd put Jack Walker there, and move Kurri down to have a real scoring threat with Yzerman. Larmer gets bumped off or can form a 3rd unit with Foyston
 
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@Hawkey Town 18 thanks for the advice on my lineup, much appreciated

For the defense, I sort of get apprehension around Duchesne on a top pairing even if I don't fully agree (and believe Potvin mitigates his weaknesses in not effectively/not at all playing the body or tying his man up), not sure why on Svehla though, guy was an everything D for Florida, he's a natural righty and his lateral movement combined with his strength made it very difficult for even the big guys to beat him, and of course he was well positioned. His issues tend to stem from having to too do much to create offensively, which I think is really mitgated with this team build as compared to what he really had to play with. In any case, both these guys won't have to do too much and will play a bit less.

Also, to your proposed lineup, Duchesne is a lefty but almost always played right defense (except on the powerplay). I'm not fully sure which side Quackenbush played on either so I put him on his natural side, did he play a lot on the right? I prefer not to have Ramsey in when everyone is healthy as I believe the other guys had more dimensions to their game.

Good point on the powerplay, it does look confusing. What I was sort of getting at was that I want guys like Hawerchuk, Goulet, Mogilny to get a lot of powerplay time since they will be seeing less even strength time than usual, wheras my top forwards Lindros, Yzerman, Kurri, I want on even strength more, and they can take a back seat on the powerplay. I will fix the lineup up and just put an emphasis on the first unit.

For the penalty kill, Kurri took faceoffs shorthanded even in Edmonton, and killed penalties with Tikkanen so I want to reunite that. I feel the Kurri • Tikkanen and Yzerman • Larmer pairings blend finesse and physicality well, while also giving a legitimate shorthanded threat on both. Tikkanen with Larmer is definitely something I considered as they briefly killed penalties together in New York (Tikkanen also can and did take draws), but the chemistry with Kurri is more established.

With Foyston and Walker, I'm just a bit unsure on how they'd translate into a modern special teams unit. I think they have all the skillset to be successful, but it's sort of like when I drafted Ralph Backstrom who seemed to have all the tools to be a great penalty killer, but never really did it in his career.
 
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Hawkey Town 18

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tabness said:
@Hawkey Town 18 thanks for the advice on my lineup, much appreciated

For the defense, I sort of get apprehension around Duchesne on a top pairing even if I don't fully agree (and believe Potvin mitigates his weaknesses in not effectively/not at all playing the body or tying his man up), not sure why on Svehla though, guy was an everything D for Florida, he's a natural righty and his lateral movement combined with his strength made it very difficult for even the big guys to beat him, and of course he was well positioned. His issues tend to stem from having to too do much to create offensively, which I think is really mitgated with this team build as compared to what he really had to play with. In any case, both these guys won't have to do too much and will play a bit less.

Also, to your proposed lineup, Duchesne is a lefty but almost always played right defense (except on the powerplay). I'm not fully sure which side Quackenbush played on either so I put him on his natural side, did he play a lot on the right? I prefer not to have Ramsey in when everyone is healthy as I believe the other guys had more dimensions to their game.

Good point on the powerplay, it does look confusing. What I was sort of getting at was that I want guys like Hawerchuk, Goulet, Mogilny to get a lot of powerplay time since they will be seeing less even strength time than usual, wheras my top forwards Lindros, Yzerman, Kurri, I want on even strength more, and they can take a back seat on the powerplay. I will fix the lineup up and just put an emphasis on the first unit.

For the penalty kill, Kurri took faceoffs shorthanded even in Edmonton, and killed penalties with Tikkanen so I want to reunite that. I feel the Kurri • Tikkanen and Yzerman • Larmer pairings blend finesse and physicality well, while also giving a legitimate shorthanded threat on both. Tikkanen with Larmer is definitely something I considered as they briefly killed penalties together in New York (Tikkanen also can and did take draws), but the chemistry with Kurri is more established.

With Foyston and Walker, I'm just a bit unsure on how they'd translate into a modern special teams unit. I think they have all the skillset to be successful, but it's sort of like when I drafted Ralph Backstrom who seemed to have all the tools to be a great penalty killer, but never really did it in his career.
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Thanks for the reply.

Quackenbush played RD, I found evidence of this for him in both Detroit and Boston during this year's draft, so it should be there if you search for it.

I think an important distinction between Foyston/Walker and Ralph Backstrom is that in Backstrom's day they had PK units/specialists and he was not a PKer. For Foyston/Walker, it seems to be more of an issue that set PK units/specialists didn't really exist back then (can someone back this up?). Personally, I'm a lot more forgiving of that situation and willing to accept the strongest defensive players as ATD PKers.
 
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Awesome to know Quackenbush played on the right! Was it a usual thing or something he switched? In any case, I like the option of a Potvin • Quackenbush pairing at times.

The NHL from its start ruled that a penalized player would not be substituted in. When I was reading up on the Mets in the coast league before the NHL, it seemed vague on whether a substitution occurred or not on a penalty, I want to say the former though. In any case, Foyston and Walker generally always played.
 
VanIslander

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Voted.

Less spread between top and bottom because choosing 8 from 24 each round meant we avoided the questionable picks, the reaches and/or lesser values.
 
VanIslander

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Vote today!

Results to be posted by @Habsfan18 likely tomorrow or soon thereafter.

(Everyone has been PM'd. Let's get 100% participation! Six of eight at least is needed.)
 
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tabness was sent a notice and then 24ish hours ago a reminder.

EDIT: I see he hasn't logged on for 25 hours.

Give him a couple of more hours if you have time. In essence, release the results today, but no hurry: fit into your personal schedule as late today as you have free time.

I'll send him an ASAP message now just in case he logs in.
 
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ATD 2021 Redux Regular Season Standings:

1. Brooklyn Americans
2. Kamloops Blazers
3. Henderson Silver Knights
4. Chicago Cougars
5. Nova Scotia Voyageurs
6. St. Louis Cardinals
7. Richmond Renegades
8. Seattle Supersoakers
 
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VanIslander

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I've been on my old smartphone all week (can't cut and paste a lot of text at once). I'll use the office computer later in the day today.

Playoff match-ups to start today: 1vs8, 2vs7, etc.
 
VanIslander

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I just realized you guys ranked #1 a team that doesn't have a top-15 dman or top-10 goalie (if HOH projects are worth anything) while I ranked it outside the best couple of teams in this draft. My bad?!

Huh.

Opinions vary.

EDIT: That re-united one line deserves some applause.
 
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VanIslander

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It took me over half an hour to standardize those lineups.

Now I'm being urged off the only computer we have at work. Ugh.

I'll post the other three series tomorrow unless someone has the means and time to do so today!
 
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