Atd#10 - THE AAA DRAFT (a full edition)

[Triffy]

C Nils Nilsson and C Raimo Helminen.

Nils Nilsson was a key player for Sweden's national team for a decade. He won two world championships. Tumba Johansson was always the the player in the limelight but Nilsson actually outscored Tumba in the 8 world championship tournaments they both played in. In 47 games, Nilsson scored 47 goals and added 17 assists, combining 64 points in total. Tumba scored 38 goals and added 22 assists (60 points) in 38 games. Nilsson also gathered more all-star selections in Swedish national league. All the all-star selections were from the time when Tumba was still going strong. I'm not saying Nilsson was the better player but I'm very excited to get him at this stage.

Raimo Helminen is the world record holder for most international games played (331). He is also the only hockey player to have played at 6 Olympic games. Helminen was exceptionally smart player. He was never the fastest player in the rink, but that didn't prevent him from having the career he had. He had the ability to control the pace of the game whenever he was on the ice. His career could be divided into two stages. At younger age, he was an offensive centre. As he gained more experience, he become a reliable two-way forward. Thanks to his passing skills, he always played on power play in Finland. But he was actually a very good defensive centre, a role which he will be used on my team. He was the fourth line centre for Finland in Nagano and in Salt Lake City. At the 2002 Olympics, the opponents didn't manage to score a goal when Helminen was on the ice. Helminen and Pentti Lund will form a reliable two-way duo for my third line.

 

[Triffy]

daylight savings time! ... spring has arrived, clocks are set back an hour as of this saturday

Ahh, okay. I wasn't aware of that.

 

[Triffy]

Um..where? I checked like 3 times.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=600860

Pick #31

 

[chaosrevolver]

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=600860

Pick #31

Ah..spelling was wrong in that thread so didn't pick up on search function.

 

[chaosrevolver]

Re-Pick

RW - Steve Sullivan

Although small in stature, Sullivan is a crafty player with breakaway speed who after dominating the AHL in the mid 1990s, took his game to the NHL and once the 2002-03 season came to an end had scored five straight 20-plus goal seasons and five straight 40-plus point seasons.

Eight shorthanded goals in 2000-2001. I hated the Blackhawks but little Sully came through time and again to frustrate us fans of the opposition.

He has a good career +/- of +100.

And he scored an impressive 24 game winning goals in his 5 seasons in Chicago, 43 GWGs over his 11-year NHL career.

With his speed, determination, penalty kill threat and clutch scoring he'd make a very good third or fourth liner in the ML draft and could be a call-up or extra forward for the main draft, depending on one's assessment of him.

 

[VanIslander]

The Spokane Canaries draft LW/C Patrick Marleau. The 11-year NHL pro has notched 61 game-winning goals including several clutch playoff goals, is top-50 all-time in goals-per-game in the NHL playoffs with 35 in 86 games, and has one of the softest pairs of hands around the net I've ever seen.

in NHL all-star games (2004, 2007, 2009)
604 points in 859 NHL games


The Canaries also select RW Ray Sheppard, twice top-5 in NHL goals scored, with an impressive 125 career powerplay goals and 357 goals in all in just 817 NHL games, including 52 game winners, much during the supposed 'dead puck' era. He also has 30 goals in 81 NHL playoff games. He is a living testament to the notion that one doesn't need speed to score.

 

[seventieslord]

I am still so sore that I decided to wait one more round before getting him.

He was an NHA star who also had a great season in the PCHA and leagues prior to that. He was respected by his peers as a star, had big performances for a number of teams, and really should have gone in the MLD imo.

I was so sure I'd get him this draft I'd already penciled him onto the drafted roster.

I gave you fair warning. I said I'd be picking a player who's never been selected or even mentioned. Knowing me, you should have known it was Smith!

But yeah, posting the NHA goal leaders doesn't fully do him justice because he only played six of eight NHA seasons. He had that great PCHA season in there too, and missed the last one due to WW1. he also was great for a few years prior to the HNA so my study which only goes back to 1910) doesn't fully do him justice either.

I can't believe you select Billy Nicholson, but fail to mention he was 5-foot-7 and a whooping ... 250 pounds!

Funny story about Billy Nicholson I just read last night. this is from the last meeting of the 1910 season between Cobalt and Haileybury:

...finally Art Ross passed to ****** **** who shot the puck past *****. Haileybury had won! From the galleries, crowded with Cobalt supporters, there came crise of despair. Suddenly from the weight of humanity, the railing collapsed; many fans tumbled 15 feet to the ice and some were so seriously injured that they had to be taken to the hospital in sleighs. Thy hysteria continued. Winning fans showered pennies, dimes, quarters, even dollars on the ice. The air was filled with greenbacks and the players were trying to catch their floating fortune on the fly. But Billy Nicholson somehow obtained a tub and any money iced in his vicinity was quickly snared and tubbed. When he could find no more loot, and the sweat was pouring from his brow, he calmly turned the tub and its contents upside down and sat on it so that no one could dislodge him or the money. How much money he collected, Nick never admitted, but there were guesses that he wouldn't have to work for a long time.

- The Renfrew Millionaires

(I see 5'10", 220 on the sihr website. Maybe he was like Oprah?)



Regina selects shutdown defenseman Chris Phillips and center Gus Bodnar.

Phillips has been one of the NHL's top defensive defensemen since the lockout, and was pretty solid before that too.

Bodnar was top-10 in assists four times and was a decent goalscorer as well. He won one Stanley cup with the Leafs.

 

[Triffy]

Ouch, I was veery close to selecting Phillips today. I'm a big fan of his. I think xxx, xxx and xxx have all shined while playing with him. I hoped it'd be possible to get him tomorrow.

And Marleau was my plan A for my top line LW spot. I was pretty sure he was getting drafted in the first rounds because he's been on fire this season. He's just one of those players I thought could wait.. And I didn't want to see guys like Oksanen and Helminen playing for someone else.

 

[Spitfire11]

Big 6'5 defensive defenseman that also put up decent point totals with his 100+ mph slapshot, D Pavel Kubina

-Stanley Cup with TB, 3rd on the team in icetime
-3 World Championship gold medals including Gold at the major 2005 lockout tournament
-Olympic Bronze

 

[Hedberg]

Daytona selects

G Arturs Irbe

1989 World Championship Gold Medal
1990 World Championship Gold Medal
1990 World Championship Best Goaltender
Played in 1994 NHL All-Star Game
Played in 1999 NHL All-Star Game

Legends of Hockey:

By 1993-94, Irbe was the number one goalie with the NHL team and his impact on the team was unquestionable. He played a then record 74 games and 4412 minutes and led the team to an improbable run in the playoffs. They eliminated the Cup contending Detroit Red Wings in game seven right at the Joe Louis Arena, and in the next round took Toronto to seven games before losing in overtime at Maple Leaf Gardens. Irbe went on to play six seasons with Carolina and was instrumental in leading the team to their first Stanley Cup appearance in 2002, only to fall to the Detroit Red Wings.

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[Hedberg]

Daytona selects D Haldor "Slim" Halderson

1920 Olympic Gold Medalist
1922 PCHA Second-Team All-Star
1923 PCHA First-Team All-Star
1925 Stanley Cup Champion

Manitoba Hockey Hall of Fame:

Born in Winnipeg, this defenceman played with the Winnipeg Falcons who won the 1920 Allan Cup and the gold medal at the 1920 Olympics at Antwerp, Belgium. Halldor "Slim" Halldorson (also Haldor "Slim" Halderson) won the 1925 Stanley Cup with the Victoria Cougars, who beat the Montreal Canadiens 3 games to 1 and outscored them 16 -8. He played pro until 1937 including NHL stints with the Detroit Cougars and Toronto St.Pats/Leafs in 1926-27.

 

[EagleBelfour]

Arturs Irbe and Patrick Marleau were on my list, good job on both of them!

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Paul Holmgren - (Right Wing) Holmgren was a hard-working grinder, who admittedly crossed the line on certain situation. However, he was still a great team player and was able to notch goals and point. At last, he was a superb playoff performer, working his magic in 1981 but especially 1980, with 10 goals and 20 points in 18 games.

Stanley Cup Finalist (1980)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1981)
5 twenty goals season

Terry Crisp - (Center) An underrated defensive specialist, it was his job to shut down the league best players with the fame ''Broad Street Bullies''. He won two Stanley Cup with them.

Stanley Cup Champion (1975, 1976)

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Todd Bertuzzi

- Clarence McKerrow (C)

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XXX - XXX - XXX
XXX - Terry Crisp

- Paul Holmgren

XXX - XXX - XXX

Weldy Young

- XXX
Doug Lidster

- XXX
Gary Nylund

- XXX

Vladimir Myshkin

XXX
XXX


1939 or earlier
1940-1965
1966-1979
1980-1989
1990-1999
in 2009

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Old No. 7 will take a couple of defensmen who were overshaddowed by their partners.

Art Moore (D)

Teamed with Harvey Pulford, Moore formed 1/2 of the stalwart Silver Seven defense in the early 1900s. He helped the Ottawa squad to three successive Cups, alternating between point and cover-point.

Roy Rickey (D)

Bobby Rowe was the offensive star of the Seattle Mets' back-end, while his partner Rickey minded defense first and foremost. Rickey played over 200 games from 1916-1925, most of them with Seattle. For what it's worth, Rowe quickly declined when separated from Rickey, though it must be noted Rowe was getting on in years by that time.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Thanks. I think Lund will fit in to my team perfectly.

I received no comments on Jim Riley. I hoped I would have. He stood out from the rest of the early western players I was looking at. Solid offensive numbers and a couple of all-star selections. What do you guys think of the pick? Was he on anyone else's radar at this point?

Riley's a great pick. I can't really say too many players are "on my radar" since I usually just figure out who I'm picking when I sit down to post it, but he's definitely a guy I would have ended up grabbing before too long. At a glance, Riley wouldn't be out of place on an MLD second line.

 

[MXD]

I'll grab 2-time Cup winner LW/C Murph Chamberlain

Grreeatt pick at this point! Could fill in a 2nd line grinding LW role, maybe the best available in that regards. Not sure he would rank that high on the C depth chart, though. ESPN, in its 100th Habs anniversary special, had some nice infos about him.

 

[seventieslord]

- Kubina's 6'4" everywhere I look. Where do you see 6'5"?

- Paul Holmgren was my #1 choice for a bottom-six winger.

- I just noticed Jack McDonald was grabbed. Nice pick. Saves me some trouble too, because I was having a hard time deciding who my other offensive RW should be. This makes it a lot easier.

 

[Know Your Enemy]

Bud Poile RW - 2nd All-Star team in 1948. Stanley Cup champion. finished 7th,10th in goals, 5th,11th in points
Martin Straka LW - Solid playoff numbers. finished 4th in points in 2001. Great playmaker with accurate shot.

 

[EagleBelfour]

Bud Poile RW - 2nd All-Star team in 1948. Stanley Cup champion. finished 7th,10th in goals, 5th,11th in points

Completely forgot about him, excellent, excellent pick!

 

[seventieslord]

With the wife sleeping early (Disneyworld is tiring!) I have a chance to whip up a few bios. I don't have my 200 books with me so it won't be as good as usual... sorry.

I only brought "The Renfrew Millionaires" which I read in two days, half on the train and half in lineups for rides, "The Red machine", which I'm also reading in lineups and expect to finish Friday, and "Deceptions and Doublecross - How the NHL conquered hockey", which is for the train ride home.

 

[seventieslord]

D Alex Smith

- Stanley Cup (1927)
- Top-12 in scoring be defensemen six times (7th, 8th, 8th, 9th, 11th, 12th)
- All D-men who outscored Smith 2+ times are selected except for one
- 7th in points by defensemen during the span of his career (behind Clancy, Shore, Day, Conacher, Mantha, Leduc)

Known as one of Ottawa's finest athletes, Alex Smith played most sports in his collegiate days but took on a hockey career that saw him become a member of the Ottawa Senators in 1924. He was an outstanding defenceman who helped that team claim the Stanley Cup in the 1926-27 season.

After being claimed by the Detroit Falcons in the 1931 Dispersal Draft, Smith was back in Ottawa one season later. He was traded to the Boston Bruins in 1933 and later wore the New York Americans sweater for his last year in the NHL, 1934-35.

 

[seventieslord]

C Craig Janney

- Stanley Cup Finalist (1988, 1990)
- 751 points in 760 games
- 110 points in 120 playoff games
- 7 straight point-per-game seasons
- 6 straight point-per-game playoffs
- Top-10 in regular season assists 4 times (5th, 6th, 7th, 9th)
- Top-10 in playoff assists twice (2nd-1990, 4th-1991)
- Top-10 in playoff points twice (6th-1990, 9th-1991)

Wayne Gretzky is without doubt the greatest playmaker of all time. Now Craig Janney certainly isn't the second best of all time, but he may have been the second best of his era. Adam Oates and Doug Gilmour also deserve recognition as the best set up man not named Gretzky in the 1990s.

Janney was the puck feeder for some great players, most notably Cam Neely in Boston and Brett Hull and Brendan Shanahan in St. Louis. He was an extraordinary puck master, creating space for his line mates with slick moves. He possessed great hockey sense, much like Hall of Famer Jean Ratelle.

Janney was quick to dish off acclaim as he is to dish off the puck.

"I've been pretty fortunate to play with some terrific goal scorers," said the unpretentious center. "The guys who pass the puck are only as good as the guys who put it in the net. That's the real hard job, the scoring. I've been fortunate to play with guys like Neely, Hull and Shanahan."

Janney also takes offense to being labeled soft.

"It's a tag finesse players sometimes get labeled with," said Janney. "We take our hits making plays, not by being physical. I'm not going to run over anybody, but I certainly will try to get in their way and take them out of the play. Teammates and opposing players will respect you if they see you taking the extra hit to make a play. Some people don't see it from that perspective."

...Janney turned pro and finished the season with the Bruins. He stepped in and looked like an NHL veteran. He scored 7 goals and 16 points in the final 15 regular season games, and added 6 tallies and 10 helpers as the Bruins went all the way to the Stanley Cup finals! Unfortunately for the B's, the Edmonton Oilers were too strong in the finals.

Janney battled a nasty groin injury the following year, but still was strong with 62 points in 62 games, followed by another strong playoff, though the Bruins only made it to the second round that year.

But in 1989-90 the Bruins returned to the Finals to once again face the Oilers, only to once again fall to Messier and co. Janney, once again battling the groin injury during the regular season, was spectacular in the playoffs, notching 19 assists and 22 points in 18 playoff games!

Janney finally put his groin injury problem behind him and played his first full NHL schedule in 1990-91. He responded well, notching 26 goals, 66 assists and 92 points. He continued his fine play in the playoffs, scoring 4 goals and 18 assists in 18 more playoff games.

Craig Janney was dealt halfway through the 1991-92 season. The St. Louis Blues moved fellow playmaker extraordinaire Adam Oates in exchange for Janney and journeyman defenseman Stephane Quintal. Janney was expected to replace Oates as Brett Hull's set up man, as Oates became involved in a bitter contract dispute with the Blues. A funny thing happened though as Janney clicked better with left winger Brendan Shanahan than Hull.

Janney enjoyed some fine statistical years in St. Louis. He finished that 1991-92 season with 6 goals and 30 assists in 25 games. The follow year he scored a career high 82 assists and 104 points. He slumped somewhat in 1993-94 due to a sprained knee, but still posted 68 assists and 84 points in 69 games.

Janney was sent to San Jose in exchange for mobile defenseman Jeff Norton. In San Jose, Janney took on a veteran's leadership role for the first time in his career.

"He is the first star we have had on this team who is still in his prime, and he's been great with the kids," said GM Dean Lombardi. "To some degree his work with our young players has been a very pleasant surprise. The kids all look up to him because it's the first time they've been exposed to a star while he is still in his prime. They all knew what Sergei Makarov and Igor Larionov had accomplished, but it's a bit different with Craig Janney coming in."

 

[seventieslord]

RW Cully Wilson

- Stanley Cup (1914, 1917)
- Stanley Cup Finalist (1919, 1924)
- PCHA 1st All-Star Team (1919)
- WCHL 2nd All-Star Team (1925)
- Led Toronto with 3 goals in the 1914 Finals
- Led Seattle with 4 assists in the 1917 Finals
- 187 goals and 264 points in 342 top-level pro games (NHA, NHL, PCHA, WCHL, WHL)
- 12 goals and 20 points in 29 top-level pro and SCF games
- 5 times top-10 in his league in goals (5th, 6th, 6th, 7th, 8th)
- 6 times top-10 in his league in assists (6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 10th, 10th)
- 5 times top-10 in his league in points (6th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 9th)

Right-winger Carol "Cully" Wilson played 125 NHL games on four different teams between 1919 and 1927. He was a talented goal scorer who also attained success in the PCHA, NHA, minors and senior leagues.

Born in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Wilson first made a name for himself in his hometown with the senior Falcons and Monarchs. He then spent four years in the NHA with the Toronto Blueshirts and played on the 1914 club that defeated the Victoria Cougars to win the Stanley Cup.

Wilson then shifted to the Seattle Metropolitans of the PCHA and was a member of the 1917 Stanley Cup squad, the first US-based champion. He remained in Seattle after the NHL was formed but was signed as a free agent by the Toronto St. Pats prior to the 1919-20 season.

The crafty forward moved on to the Hamilton Tigers and enjoyed two solid years. This was followed by three years with the Calgary Tigers of the WCHL before a brief return to the NHL with Chicago in 1926-27. Wilson spent most of his last five years in the American Hockey Association before retiring in 1932.

One of the bad men of hockey, who although an excellent player always seemed to be embroiled in fisticuffs or stick swinging duels... did not back away from the biggest players in the game... fiery... very prominent with the Metropolitans for four years... Cully was again in a cup series against Canadiens. He managed to check Morenz in such a way that the Canadien star was injured and put out of action. However, no penalty was awarded as it was probably not deliberate (or it was clean)

 

[seventieslord]

D Jim McKenny

- Top-15 in scoring by defensemen 7 times (2nd (to Orr!), 4th, 7th, 13th, 13th, 15th, 15th)
- 5th in points by defensemen, 1969-1977 (behind Orr, Park, Lapointe, Vadnais and ahead of Potvin, Stackhouse, Redmond, Tallon, etc. Only one other player in the top-17 isn't drafted)

McKenny was mainstay on the Toronto Maple Leafs defense for many years. In the mid the 1960's McKenny was rated by many NHL insiders as the second best Canadian junior prospect patrolling the blue line behind only Bobby Orr. The comparisons were primarily based on McKenny's similar strong puckhandling and skating skills, but even his most staunch supporters agreed he was never a match for Orr when it came to point production and toughness. He played three years of Junior A hockey with the Toronto Marlboros and was a member of the 1964 Memorial Cup winning squad that also boasted the likes of Pete Stemkowski, Mike Walton, Ron Ellis and goalie Gary Smith.

McKenny had been selected by the Maple Leafs in the third round of the 1963 NHL Amateur Draft, 17th overall... However, it was not until the 1969-70 season that McKenny was able to crack the Leafs lineup as a full-time roster player when he dressed for 73 games, scoring eleven goals and 44 points.

...McKenny played another seven years with Toronto and was consistently one of the team's top defenders.

 

[seventieslord]

LW/C/Rover Don Smith

- FAHL Scoring Leader (1907)
- 5th in Manitoba League Scoring (1908)
- 6th in OPHL scoring (1909)
- 7th in CHA/NHA scoring (1910)
- Also finished 3rd, 7th, 10th in NHA goalscoring
- 6th in NHA assists (1914)
- 5th in PCHA scoring (1912)
- 10th all-time in NHA Goals

Name | Goals | NHA Seasons
Joe Malone | 179 | 7
Didier Pitre | 156 | 7
Newsy Lalonde | 148 | 7
Tommy Smith | 141 | 5
Odie Cleghorn | 134 | 7
Gord Roberts | 124 | 7
Jack Darragh | 122 | 7
Harry Hyland | 106 | 7
Skene Ronan | 104 | 7
Don Smith | 97 | 6
Jack McDonald | 91 | 6
Ernie Russell | 86 | 5
Frank Nighbor | 85 | 3
Sprague Cleghorn | 83 | 7
Rusty Crawford | 67 | 5
Marty Walsh | 63 | 3

Born in Cornwall, Ontario, Don Smith went on to play Senior hockey in his hometown for three years before making stops in Portage la Prairie before turning pro in the Ontario Professional Hockey League in 1908. Smith switched teams in each of the next three years with stints with the Montreal Shamrocks, the Renfrew Creamery Kings and the Victoria Aristocrats before settling in Montreal for good in 1912.

Smith was halfway through his third season with the Montreal Canadiens of the National Hockey Association when the club sold his rights to the cross-town rival Montreal Wanderers during the 1914-15 season. After playing one full season with the Wanderers Smith's career was put on hold while he served his country.

During the three years Smith served in the military the NHA folded and a new circuit, the National Hockey League was formed. Smith returned to hockey in 1919 when he was signed by his former club, the Montreal Canadiens.

Smith, a forward who played both left wing and centre suited up for 10 games for Les Habitants and scored one goal. His first season in the NHL was also his last as a player. Don Smith retired in 1920.

Played center for Joe Hall... Also centered Odie Cleghorn and Rowe... Was a very popular player with the fans and admired for his good hockey and clean play... Played LW with Newsy Lalonde and Didier Pitre... Wanderers used him at centre for Gord Roberts and Harry Hyland... a fine player who was unlucky enough never to be on a championship team

 

[seventieslord]

Hey VI, what is the title of the Tarasov book you were referring to earlier in the MLD?

is it "Road to Olympus: How To Win at the Olympics"? Or is there another really good one? "The Red machine" cites a book called "Russian Hockey Secrets" in its list of references.