Artemi Panarin vs Auston Matthews

[teravaineSAROS]

Once again W>C interesting.

Jankowski > Nylander?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Jankowski > Nylander?

Those are 2 centres

 

[Dache]

No one forced Panarin to sign with a rebuilding Rangers team.

doesnt make him a worse player.

 

[LeafsNation75]

doesnt make him a worse player.

I never said it did.

All I said was no one should complain about him not having as good players on his line compared to Matthews since the Rangers are rebuilding.

 

[Dache]

I never said it did.

All I said was no one should complain about him not having as good players on his line compared to Matthews since the Rangers are rebuilding.

that’s also not what you said but ok

 

[Foppberg]

Bread

 

[LeafsNation75]

that’s also not what you said but ok

For the last time what exactly did I say? All I did was mention how no one forced Panarin to sign with the Rangers since they are rebuilding. So saying he has not as good players on his line compared to Matthews doesn't mean he's still better. Not once did I say he was a worse player compared to Matthews or bash him as a player.

 

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Panarin AINEC.

We're running out of players to compare Matthews to. At the moment i think he's dropped outside the top 100.

Let's do Matthews vs Huberdeau next

You think Matthews is not in the top 100 players in the NHL? Hot take of the Century, right there.

 

[Puckstop40]

Matthews. He is really starting to heat up too. One of the best goal scorers in the game and an insane skill set.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Since 2017-2018:

ES P/60

Matthews: 2.91
Panarin: 2.81

ES P1/60

Matthews: 2.53
Panarin: 2.22

PP P/60

Matthews: 6.49
Panarin: 5.19

PP P1/60

Matthews: 5.22
Panarin: 3.29

 

[SillyRabbit]

This is super close.

I think Panarin is the slightly better offensive player but Matthews is a center and a better goal scorer.

When it’s this close, you can’t go wrong picking the center.

Matthews is also younger, which doesn’t really matter in terms of who is better now, but again when it’s this close, any small factor can push you one way or another.

I ultimately voted for Matthews.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Since 2017-2018:

ES P/60

Matthews: 2.91
Panarin: 2.81

ES P1/60

Matthews: 2.53
Panarin: 2.22

PP P/60

Matthews: 6.49
Panarin: 5.19

PP P1/60

Matthews: 5.22
Panarin: 3.29

Since 2018-2019:

5V5 P/60:

Panarin: 3.06
Matthews: 2.74

5V5 P1/60

Panarin: 2.35
Matthews: 2.34

PP P/60

Matthews: 6.76
Panarin: 5.17

PP P1/60:

Matthews: 5.77
Panarin: 3.55

Panarin has also been doing all of this on a far more offensively challenged team no matter where he has been.

EV play driving:

I think Panarin has clearly been better at even strength over the past two years. Matthews clearly better on the PP. It’s close but I’ll take Panarin who is a better play driver.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Since 2018-2019:

5V5 P/60:

Panarin: 3.06
Matthews: 2.74

5V5 P1/60

Panarin: 2.35
Matthews: 2.34

PP P/60

Matthews: 6.76
Panarin: 5.17

PP P1/60:

Matthews: 5.77
Panarin: 3.55

Yeah, Panarin is a great and underrated ES player. One of the best over the last little stretch.

Not sure why he's so relatively disappointing on the PP.

Panarin has also been doing all of this on a far more offensively challenged team no matter where he has been.

He certainly hasn't been helped as much as many by his linemates, but I wouldn't say he's had worse linemates than Matthews.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Yeah, Panarin is a great and underrated ES player. One of the best over the last little stretch.

Not sure why he's so relatively disappointing on the PP.


He certainly hasn't been helped as much as many by his linemates, but I wouldn't say he's had worse linemates than Matthews.

Most common linemates this season:

Panarin:

1F: Ryan Strome
2F: Jesper Fast
3F: Mika Zibanejad

1D: Tony DeAngelo
2D: Jacob Trouba
3D: Brady Skjei
4D: Adam Fox

Matthews:

1F: William Nylander
2F: Andreas Johnsson
3F: Mitch Marner

1D: Morgan Rielly
2D: Tyson Barrie
3D: Cody Ceci
4D: Jake Muzzin

Or, since 2017-2018:

Panarin:

1F: Pierre-Luc Dubois
2F: Cam Atkinson
3F: Josh Anderson
4F: Ryan Strome

1D: Seth Jones
2D: Zach Werenski
3D: David Savard
4D: Markus Nuutivara

Matthews:

1F: Nylander
2F: Hyman
3F: Johnsson
4F: Kapanen

1D: Rielly
2D: Gardiner
3D: Hainsey
4D: Zaitsev

Look at the scoring rates of those players over those samples with and without Panarin/Matthews and then consider the systems that they’ve played in and how those systems seem to impact the production of players that play in them.

Or look at the results of a regression model like RAPM GF/60 which objectively accounts for all of this stuff without biases:

Panarin EV GF/60; xGF/60 impact:

2019-2020: 0.433; 0.085
2018-2019: 0.352; 0.219
2017-2018: 0.093; 0.214

2017-2020: 0.261; 0.192

Matthews EV GF/60; xGF/60 impact:

2019-2020: 0.297; 0.112
2018-2019: 0.157; 0.271
2017-2018: 0.353; 0.226

2017-2020: 0.262; 0.215

Matthews was better in 2017-2018 and is marginally better in the 2.5 year sample but Panarin has been better since the start of 2018-2019. It’s close enough offensively no matter how you look at it. Panarin gets the edge for me because he’s more consistently good defensively and he’s an iron man.

 

[RebuildinVan]

Its nice to see a guy like Panarin sign the big contract and then go out and actually be better. He is one of the must watch players right now

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Matthews is super talented and elite sniper. But he can't put the team on his back like Panarin has this season. Not yet, anyway. And Panarin is on pace for 40+ himself to go along with his elite playmaking.

 

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Matthews is super talented and elite sniper. But he can't put the team on his back like Panarin has this season. Not yet, anyway. And Panarin is on pace for 40+ himself to go along with his elite playmaking.

Both Panarin and Matthews are two the top premier scores in the NHL today. Top of the class.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Both Panarin and Matthews are two the top premier scores in the NHL today. Top of the class.

Yeah McDavid is the only guy who is definitely better than those guys IMO as an offensive player/scorer. There are also guys like MacKinnon, Draisaitl, and a few others are arguably better as well.

 

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Yeah McDavid is the only guy who is definitely better than those guys IMO as an offensive player/scorer. There are also guys like MacKinnon, Draisaitl, and a few others are arguably better as well.

I agree 100% with you on McDavid being better than Matthews and Panarin. The guy is cut from a different leather.

I also agree MacKinnon has a slight edge over them, but Draisaitl is not. Not even close.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Yeah McDavid is the only guy who is definitely better than those guys IMO as an offensive player/scorer. There are also guys like MacKinnon, Draisaitl, and a few others are arguably better as well.

Replace Draisaitl with Kane and I agree with you.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yeah McDavid is the only guy who is definitely better than those guys IMO as an offensive player/scorer. There are also guys like MacKinnon, Draisaitl, and a few others are arguably better as well.

When it comes to McDavid he's in his own tier and there is a separate category for other players like Matthews, MacKinnon, Panarin and etc.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I agree 100% with you on McDavid being better than Matthews and Panarin. The guy is cut from a different leather.

I also agree MacKinnon has a slight edge over them, but Draisaitl is not. Not even close.

I agree with you about Draisaitl and despite him scoring 50 goals last season there will always be others who say McDavid was a major reason why he got that milestone.

 

[authentic]

That's so petty. This thread is about who's better right now so I voted Panarin because Matthews just isn't good at defense at all, yet. If the thread was about 2 years from now I'd vote Matthews but it's not.

Matthews has been good at defense since his 2nd season, with some stretches where he hasn't been, but this is a player who was touted for his two-way game before he was drafted.

 

[authentic]

Yeah McDavid is the only guy who is definitely better than those guys IMO as an offensive player/scorer. There are also guys like MacKinnon, Draisaitl, and a few others are arguably better as well.

Kucherov and Kane of course, Crosby/Malkin, Pastrnak/Marchand, Eichel probably as well. I would personally love it if you were correct though.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Once again, people are voting for the better player.

Hard to argue the winger is a lot more valuable when the center is pacing for over 50 goals and JUST under 100 points.