Around the NHL XXXVI: Ladd AND Weise/Fleischmann to Chicago.

[Oscar Lindberg]

The same people that think Girardi is good are the same people that believe Karlsson isn't good defensively

Shocking /s

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is a discussion about how Karlsson compares to some of the best offensive defenseman to play the game, and you are bringing up Staal and Girardi, as if they relate at all to this discussion.

You can use the "Karlsson has the puck a lot" excuse to excuse his defense, but its really not a very good argument. His team doesn't have the puck 95% of the time when he's on the ice, that type of percentage just doesn't exist in a competitive hockey league. I don't even know what his possession percentages are, but I do know that the best players are pretty much only around 60%, so even 60/40 requires the ability to play well without the puck since 40% without the puck is still a substantial number. This isn't the Canadian National Team against the Indian National Team, the NHL is a competitive league from shift to shift and game to game, all players have to have some ability to do everything because of the amount of parity.

About the points, if all three players points are averaged over an 82 game season, Keith is 25 less and Doughty is 28 less, but if there was some way to quantify defensive ability, Keith and Doughty would be substantially higher than Karlsson, so although those numbers might work in Karlsson's favor, its a very one sided argument since we don't really have an agreeable way to quantify defensive ability like we do offensive ability with points or assists or goals.

I think you underestimate how big of a gap 25-28 points is.

And John Moore a top 4 D? Maybe on a Lottery team.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

The same people that think Girardi is good are the same people that believe Karlsson isn't good defensively

Shocking /s

Except girardi DOES have good games. But people will forever lynch him every single time he flubs a pass or doesn't defend a player 100% perfectly and that automatically makes him garbage overall.

Some people actually know how to give credit to people so speak for yourself.

 

[silverfish]

So Mike Milbury just said he's a Flyers fan, and he's "ecstatic" that Malkin is injured.

On a National broadcast.

For the NHL...

Huh?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So Mike Milbury just said he's a Flyers fan, and he's "ecstatic" that Malkin is injured.

On a National broadcast.

For the NHL...

Huh?

Played for Boston, coached the Islanders and now he is a Flyers fan happy with an injury to a Penguins player. The guy is a joke

 

[Tawnos]

Played for Boston, coached the Islanders and now he is a Flyers fan happy with an injury to a Penguins player. The guy is a joke

Sucking up to his Comcast bosses.

 

[Loff]

Tampa's taking a royal dump on Columbus. 2 consecutive shorties. 4-0.

 

[RangerBlues]

Holy half empty hockeytown.

 

[Machinehead]

No idea how anyone can say that EK is good defensively.

Some people like to acknowledge facts and evidence. Amazing.

 

[Machinehead]

It's really a bunch of crap that Karlsson's only defensive value is derived from "always having the puck"

PLENTY of NHL defensemen touch the puck a ton and still can't stop the other team from shooting.

The top is offensive possession and the bottom is defensive possession.

 

[Irishguy42]

It's really a bunch of crap that Karlsson's only defensive value is derived from "always having the puck"

PLENTY of NHL defensemen touch the puck a ton and still can't stop the other team from shooting.

The top is offensive possession and the bottom is defensive possession.

LOL Josi

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not sure if it was already posted here, but Jagr is a beast! He posted this on his Facebook feed:

1:30 ráno, stále makám smile emoticon skončil zápas, ale mám stále dost energii, tak jsem si šel zacvičit play-off se blížÃ­ , tak musim být připraven, nechci udělat ostudu.... A přidal jsem si ještě jednu vestu, tak cvičim se dvěma ( jedna je pro děti ) )) .... Chudák Veronika , musi na mě tak dlouho čekat, ale ja jí to v létě vynahradím ..... To víte, když chcete být lepšÃ­ než soupeř , musíte pracovat (trénovat), když on spí.. Všem soupeřům - dobrou noc.)))

Translation:
1:30 in the morning, still working ended the game, but I still have enough energy, so I went to the gym smile emoticon playoffs coming up, so I gotta be ready, I don't want to embarrass.... And I added one more vest, so cvičim with two (one is for the kids) )).... Poor Veronica, must to me wait that long, but I did make it in the summer smile emoticon..... You know that if you want to be better than the opponent, you have to work (train), When He's asleep.. All rivals - good night.)))

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

He's not human. I can see him playing at a relatively high level for another few years.

 

[Edge]

He's not human. I can see him playing at a relatively high level for another few years.

And just think, he's approaching these goal/point totals while having also played three seasons overseas. That's possibly another 60 goals and 180 points.

And that's having only the first few years of his career in the high-scoring NHL that dominated the 80s and early 90s and losing the equivalent of a whole season to lockouts.

I've met the man many times over the last two decades. He's a speciman.

Jagr, Messier and Brind'Amour might be three of the finest conditioned hockey players I've ever met.

 

[frozenrubber]

And just think, he's approaching these goal/point totals while having also played three seasons overseas. That's possibly another 60 goals and 180 points.

And that's having only the first few years of his career in the high-scoring NHL that dominated the 80s and early 90s and losing the equivalent of a whole season to lockouts.

I've met the man many times over the last two decades. He's a speciman.

Jagr, Messier and Brind'Amour might be three of the finest conditioned hockey players I've ever met.

For the uninitiated, Rod "the Bod" Brind'Amour:

and from Wikipedia:

During his time at Michigan State, Brind'Amour would go from a game directly into the weight room, where he would undertake a strenuous workout. His coach at the time said that Brind'Amour's workouts became so intense that they would turn the lights out on him, and when that failed to work, they would padlock the room to bar his entry.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Jagr is the ****ing man. This needs be said often so the little kids understand that he is just not some old man, but a machine.

 

[Leetch66]

And just think, he's approaching these goal/point totals while having also played three seasons overseas. That's possibly another 60 goals and 180 points.

And that's having only the first few years of his career in the high-scoring NHL that dominated the 80s and early 90s and losing the equivalent of a whole season to lockouts.

I've met the man many times over the last two decades. He's a speciman.

Jagr, Messier and Brind'Amour might be three of the finest conditioned hockey players I've ever met.

When the Flyers were here on PEI hiding out with Lindros in his first training camp....Brind'Amour always could be found in the resort gym when not on the ice.....he lived there !!! Was great times for hockey fans here at the time .

 

[n8]

still wish we got him back after his stint in the KHL.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

He is also a very nice person the few times I've had the opportunity to meet him.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

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