Series Talk: Around the NHL: Tampa Bay Finally Lost

[Gurglesons]

I guess to me is it's like... just watch how Sid and Malkin handled themselves every single playoffs with little to no exceptions. Dialed in... involved in EVERY facet of the game... doing whatever it takes every shift to get the job done even if means they might not be the guy that actually scores the deciding goal.

I don't think McDavid and Drai are a couple of worthless layabouts or anything. I just never have seen that same shift-in shift-out intensity from them.

I think they do it, but they sacrifice in other areas.

Honestly, McDavid has stunk in pretty much every international / playoff competition he's been part of.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think they do it, but they sacrifice in other areas.

Honestly, McDavid has stunk in pretty much every international / playoff competition he's been part of.

I mean it's a lot of pressure and the playoffs are a whole different animal. It's one thing to half-float through the RS and feast on your powerplay while you get to play most of your shifts with primo linemates. It's another to skate uphill all game with two guys hangin' off your back with no calls now or coming any time soon and suddenly the competition is hugely motivated and doing everything they can to slow your best guys down.

It's why what Crosby has done his whole career is so impressive. He was Mr. Next One Guy and still somehow lived up to the hype despite the insane pressure. At EVERY time of the season.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm still blown away people are arguing the 09 defense clicked.

The 09 defense sucked ass.

Even Gonchar was somewhat of a disaster that year.

Are people going to start saying the 2017 was great too?

 

[Turin]

You can say that 1. The defense wouldn't hold up today in it's makeup and also 2. It was good enough at the time. Guys like Orpik and Scuderi were legitimately good defensively at that point in time (even tho Orpik a lil overrated still) and Letang played much better after Bylsma came in.

The Pens finished 9th in goals against and 4th in goals for in 2009, and that's without Gonchar for most of the year.


Also totally forgot about Boston that year. They won the presidents trophy and had the best offense and defense in the league that season.. and lost in the 2nd round.

 

[Turin]

I think they do it, but they sacrifice in other areas.

Honestly, McDavid has stunk in pretty much every international / playoff competition he's been part of.

McDavid had 11 points in 7 games in the WJC as a 17 year old, he definitely didn't stink last year in the playoffs either. I don't think he's the same kind of cat Crosby is, and that has effects on the team around him, but I would never say he's not a big game player.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Gonchar was actually injured by a filthy Ovechkin knee-on-knee that year too, right? Remember the one where Ovechkin hit him so hard he forgot how to speak English after the game when asked why he tagged his old buddy with a dirty hit?

Or was that the season prior?

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

Guentzel for Nylander. Leafs retain $$962,366 as Guentzel is a winner.

Who says no???

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

I've thought about that deal as well. Both players contracts expire after next season. Pens get a couple years younger and Toronto gets a guy in Guentzel that's peak playoff performances have been better than Nylander. I doubt it happens and I'm not saying I want it to. I think a potential Toronto/Pittsburgh shakeup trade becomes more of a possibility if Dubas gets our GM job.

There's an interesting recent history of mostly mutually beneficial moves with the Leafs. I wonder if Dubas as GM might work against that, though. He'd be leaving on, at best, ambivalent terms.

 

[Gurglesons]

McDavid had 11 points in 7 games in the WJC as a 17 year old, he definitely didn't stink last year in the playoffs either. I don't think he's the same kind of cat Crosby is, and that has effects on the team around him, but I would never say he's not a big game player.

Reinhart - Domi - Duclair was the best line for that team.

My point was more that he fails to deliver in the clutch as "the guy".

It's kinda of been an issue with him all of his career.

You can say that 1. The defense wouldn't hold up today in it's makeup and also 2. It was good enough at the time. Guys like Orpik and Scuderi were legitimately good defensively at that point in time (even tho Orpik a lil overrated still) and Letang played much better after Bylsma came in.

The Pens finished 9th in goals against and 4th in goals for in 2009, and that's without Gonchar for most of the year.


Also totally forgot about Boston that year. They won the presidents trophy and had the best offense and defense in the league that season.. and lost in the 2nd round.

It was good enough because we had Sid and Geno doing what they were doing.

Orpik was trash and continued to be trash here for years.

Scuderi had a 3-4 year window of being a top four D.

Gill lasted like one more year in terms of being a top four guy. Eaton was basically out of the league until we decided to bring him back in 2013.

Gonchar basically fell apart after that season.

Letang was Letang but at that point was not the player he was even in 2010.

That defense like most of the Penguins forward group immediately dissipated in terms of NHL careers outside of the Penguins having to use them.

 

[Turin]

Reinhart - Domi - Duclair was the best line for that team.

My point was more that he fails to deliver in the clutch as "the guy".

It's kinda of been an issue with him all of his career.



It was good enough because we had Sid and Geno doing what they were doing.

Orpik was trash and continued to be trash here for years.

Scuderi had a 3-4 year window of being a top four D.

Gill lasted like one more year in terms of being a top four guy. Eaton was basically out of the league until we decided to bring him back in 2013.

Gonchar basically fell apart after that season.

Letang was Letang but at that point was not the player he was even in 2010.

That defense like most of the Penguins forward group immediately dissipated in terms of NHL careers outside of the Penguins having to use them.

He literally has scored at a 130 points in the playoff pace the last 4 rounds, and scored a really clutch goal last game, I don't know what exactly he's supposed to do lol.

Orpik wasn't trash. The rest of the points are irrelevant because they, like I said, were good enough that season. 9th in GA despite Fleury being mediocre that year. Sid and Geno were holding down the top six but the Pens also had the best third line in the NHL at the time. If you substitute Gill or Eaton with somebody more rounded then you have a pretty good D, especially for that time. Eaton also came up pretty huge in that run at times, and Gill's inference and bear-hugging in the playoffs was nice.

 

[Icarium]

It's interesting how the teams who loaded up at trade deadline are all out now. Maybe Sleepy was onto something. Too bad we couldn't make the playoffs for his 4D chess strategy to work.

 

[Turin]

It's interesting how the teams who loaded up at trade deadline are all out now. Maybe Sleepy was onto something. Too bad we couldn't make the playoffs for his 4D chess strategy to work.

Pens woulda made the playoffs if he didn't trade for Granlund. Bleuger woulda had his best two games of the year lmao.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

One thing Is a fact. McDavid 3 years in juniour never won a championship. And now 8 years in the NHL never been to even the finals.

 

[Pens1566]

I mean, Jagr could never win one (or really even get close) once he was "the man". It's a stain on the overall legacy maybe, but not a huge one.

 

[66-30-33]

Man these anthem singers super suck.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

I mean, Jagr could never win one (or really even get close) once he was "the man". It's a stain on the overall legacy maybe, but not a huge one.

Nope. Jagr will be remembered for winning 2 Stanley Cups and helping the Czech team win their first Olympic gold medal against heavy favourites.

I bet you McDavid would trade all his points for that hardware at 26.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I mean, Jagr could never win one (or really even get close) once he was "the man". It's a stain on the overall legacy maybe, but not a huge one.

How often do you see jagr even named in the top 10 all time. That's why he's more of a top 25 guy

 

[canadianguy77]

Nope. Jagr will be remembered for winning 2 Stanley Cups and helping the Czech team win their first Olympic gold medal against heavy favourites.

I bet you McDavid would trade all his points for that hardware at 26.

I bet you he wouldn't....which might be a part of the problem...

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

What a f***ing lame game 7.

 

[Pens1566]

Nope. Jagr will be remembered for winning 2 Stanley Cups and helping the Czech team win their first Olympic gold medal against heavy favourites.

I bet you McDavid would trade all his points for that hardware at 26.

Outside of one goal, Jagr was a passenger on those cup teams. Larry Murphy was more important. So was Pietrangelo.

 

[vodeni]

Oleksiak blew it

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

Oleksiak blew it

that was painful. But it was brilliant hustle by Roope.

 

[bathroomSTAAL]

Nice f***in hands by Johnston geez

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

An all south final four with three of the teams having never won.

Nice f***in hands by Johnston geez

Dallas has some really f***ing good younger players.

 

[bathroomSTAAL]

I was rooting for Seattle but Dallas is cool too.

I love thinking about all the Canadians pissed about the final 4 all being southern hot weather cities