Discussion in 'New York Rangers' started by Amazing Kreiderman, Jul 27, 2017.
Since there is no thread (yet), and there are definitely things to discuss I feel we can use this
The more I think about it, and the more I look at it, man is that Johansen contract horrible.
He's really, like, not very good.
I don't think he's "not very good."
I don't think he's worth 8x8, but I think he's good.
He's a good player.
He's not a good first liner.
He has had 4 straight 60+ point seasons. He was tied for 17th of all centermen last year in points.
He also has 13pts in 14 playoff games last season and has something like 27 points in 34 career playoff games.
He's a first line player.
EDIT: That being said I don't think I'd pay $8MMx8years for him.
60 points isn't exactly impressive when you play 18 minutes a game and practically never leave the ice on the powerplay.
Peter Laviolette absolutely slams powerplay minutes down the guy's throat.
I would think as a coach youd want your best players in the ice for a good portion of the PP. Also he wasn't even in the top 50 in average PP time per game.
Not to mention he's one of the better face off men in the league.
He's still produced 1.74 p/60 at 5v5 the last three seasons.
Rangers ahead of him during that time: Zuccarello, Kreider, Hayes, Miller, Zibanejad (including Ottawa), and Oscar ****ing Lindberg.
That's not 1C even strength production.
Also while I'm on my unpopular opinions: Jonathan Toews might be the most underrated player on HF.
Like, yeah his contract sucks and the media treats him like Gretzky, but on here -specifically on here- people act like he's Jeff Toms.
Forget all the Blackhawks and Team Canada ****. Pro-rate his stats til he's say, 37 or 38, and he's a Hall of Famer without ever even playing a playoff game.
If he plays his next 500 games at his career averages -.10 PPG for aging, he'll be at 437/565/1002 at 35 years of age, with probably 3-4 so-so years left to go.
He played a prominent role on all those successful teams. He is arguably a top 3 player at the international level - based on his rÃ©sumÃ©.
I've seen this process up close.
>Derek Jeter is amazing at baseball and also happens to play a leadership role on a dynasty
>With these coinciding events, the media markets him as God's gift to professional sports
>In response to the media slobberfest, everyone begins to conjure up whatever criticism they can throw at Jeter as to why he's overrated.
>The thing grows and grows until Jeter was "never that good" and "nothing more than an above average shortstop in a big market"
>In a fit of maniacal rage, everyone forgets that Jeter is amazing at baseball
It's the same story with Toews.
From the business page of the main board:
More on this new trend;
Never thought Toews wasn't a great player. At this stage of his career though he's not quite an elite player. There are intangibles. He finds a way to come up big in big games. Cap hit aside I would love him on the Rangers. Cap hit not aside--we couldn't afford him.
Really good analogy. Toews is definitely underrated around these parts. His contract is abysmal, though.
Neiderreiter extension, 5 yrs, 5.25 AAV.
Sheary and Niederreiter are A+ team deals.
Especially Niederreiter. Kreider is a very comparable player and I would give Kreider 5.25 like yesterday. You could make the argument that Niederreiter is a little better.
Well done by both GM's.
Speaking of, Kreider becomes a free agent in July 2020.
Until then he's signed at 4.6 for the 17-18, 18-19, and 19-20 seasons.
If those three seasons are anything like 16-17, it has the potential to be one of the best contracts in the league.
Isles buy themselves one more year of CDH
The AAV is #good.
The term is #bad.
The AAV is only good because the term is bad
I suspect he's traded at the deadline or they lose him as FA. Org clearly didn't want to make a long-term commitment. Possible that they don't value him very high?
Why waste your time with deHaan when you can trot out Seidenberg, Boychuk and Pelech?
Leddy silently weeps if deHann leaves.
Just as a comparison.
Boychuk 33yo - 5 more years @ 6M
Shattenkirk 28yo - 4 more years @ 6.65M
I know its been beaten to death but that Shatty contract is soooooo good
I'm intrigued to see Dallas this year. Really nice additions with Bishop, Radulov and Methot. Last year was pretty much a lost year for both Sharp and Hudler (wouldn't mind signing him cheap since Tkachyov fell through) who are both now gone. Honka could be a full time NHLer plus both Lindell and Faksa could break out. I'd kinda be surprised if they miss the playoffs even if the central division is STACKED. In a few years their D could be really nice looking. Heiskanen/Klingberg, Lindell/Honka. Lots of Fins
So so true. We got very fortunate Shatty wanted to wear a Ranger unie more than he wanted to cash in at this point in his career. Thing is, if he plays like we all expect him too, he'll still cash in 4 years from now.
Sure Shatty wanted to play for us badly but JG's negotiating skills cannot be understated. Magnificent job by JG. We are very lucky to have him as our GM...how's that for an understatement? lol