Player Discussion Anton Khudobin UPDATE Signs 2y deal with Dallas

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

This assumes that one of these other goalies will be able to play as often as Khudobin did and will allow Rask the rest needed for him to attain 73 points. There are more considerations than just the dollars here.

Khudobin started in 29 games.

His performance was solid, but it's not impossible for another goalie to do.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'd also rather pay an extra 750k on a high end player if it gets us that player.

Well, yes, if it came to that, so would I. But would the Bruins at this point not be talking to John Tavares if they gave Dobby a 750k raise and extension before Sunday? Last season we spent that money on Postma and Agostino. Don't sign either one of them (or whoever would be comparable this summer) and we have Dobby's number, most likely.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Well, yes, if it came to that, so would I. But would the Bruins at this point not be talking to John Tavares if they gave Dobby a 750k raise and extension before Sunday? Last season we spent that money on Postma and Agostino. Don't sign either one of them (or whoever would be comparable this summer) and we have Dobby's number, most likely.

In terms of cap. Neither of those guys affected it since they were down in Providence anyways.

I don't think Khudobin signing has anything to do with Tavares, but when crunching numbers, it would be nicer to have that extra 750k, to make a 11 million dollar offer, to an 11.75 million offer might beat someone out if he's on the fence.

This said, if they really NEED Khudobin at 2.5, then, we can cut costs elsewhere.

 

[NDiesel]

Hutton's my guy, quality backup every year he's been in the role, and showed last year he can step up when the starter struggles...that being said if Dobby and Hutton are roughly the same price then go with the guy everyone knows and is comfortable with in Dobby.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Hate to see Dobby go anywhere else.

He saved the season on that early West Coast trip last year. And he appears to be great comic relieve.

 

[McGarnagle]

Sometimes the backup is worth paying a little for.

Remember the time we had Svedberg backing up Rask and ended up missing the playoffs by a point?

 

[BruinDust]

Sometimes the backup is worth paying a little for.

Remember the time we had Svedberg backing up Rask and ended up missing the playoffs by a point?

Or the following year when they missed by a tie-breaker with the Red Wings with Gustavsson as the back-up.

Take the Top 20 paid goaltenders, they average about 6 million per in salary.

We're in an era where your back-up is playing 33-35% of your teams games. Roughly 1/3 of the season. And it's not like they get just the easier opponents. They always get one half of the back-2-back, hard to hide them if both games are against solid opponents. And no opponent is a cake-walk anymore.

So if a starter is getting 6 million to play 2/3 of the games, shouldn't the back-up get 3 million to play the other 1/3? Well you have to factor in performance, so no I wouldn't say they are due 3 million.

But between 2 and 2.5 seems about right for a solid back-up responsible for playing 1/3 of a season for a team.

 

[Hali33]

It’s unfortunate there’s no one in the system you can be confident as the back up.

It’s not an area where I see the team able to cut corners. Rask has never been able to handle a heavy workload without his play declining. Not to mention, you are hoping at this point the team continues to progress and there’s a deep playoff run to add to the season.

If they go in with a sketchy back up situation and its more of a typical battle for spots and seeding than last year it will likely lead to the same reluctance to play the back up we’ve seen in seasons past which has not worked out well. Rask also seems to thrive when there’s internal competition from a capable back up.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Or the following year when they missed by a tie-breaker with the Red Wings with Gustavsson as the back-up.

Take the Top 20 paid goaltenders, they average about 6 million per in salary.

We're in an era where your back-up is playing 33-35% of your teams games. Roughly 1/3 of the season. And it's not like they get just the easier opponents. They always get one half of the back-2-back, hard to hide them if both games are against solid opponents. And no opponent is a cake-walk anymore.

So if a starter is getting 6 million to play 2/3 of the games, shouldn't the back-up get 3 million to play the other 1/3? Well you have to factor in performance, so no I wouldn't say they are due 3 million.

But between 2 and 2.5 seems about right for a solid back-up responsible for playing 1/3 of a season for a team.

theres only 24 goalies in the nhl that made more than 4 mill last year... so doing very rough math we know 7 teams couldn't find a starter they felt they should pay more than 4 mill to

8 teams decided to pay a starter 6 mill or more... those 8 goalies were all 28 or older... so making ufa money... and were all very very well decorated... just saying that every starter is making 6 million is wrong to begin with

theres just as many teams at around 4 mill as there is at 6 mill... so even if your % idea carried any merit we should probably be using the 4 mill bench mark as a starter. these backups don't play as well as the hof elite... they cant even outduel the bottom 7 and get a starting job...

so 1/3 of 4 mill by your math would mean that the best backups should be getting around 1.33 mill

now maybe the top 7-10 backups actually give you the same quality as the bottom 7 starters... so only the top 7-10 backups should get your prized money based on 2/3 1/3 split

the other backups... being clearly little better than ahl goalies... being guys that pretty much let you down when you play them... being guys that that pretty much get replaced every year or two in a futile hope to get someone better... probably cant come close to justifying a claim of 1.3 what the starter is making

and honestly... don't feel too bad for anyone that is making a million dollars a year. we don't need to pass the poor hat.

the path to success... is to have a starter you can count on... and pay him what hes worth

holtby and fleury were both over 5.75 mill last year... penne s at 7 mill... matt murray and martin jones will be joining them very soon... quick and Crawford get paid...

its been a lot of years since anyone with a journyman goalie has had any real success at playoff time

for what its worth... I think khubodin has been one of the better backups during his career... but he wilts and folds anytime he gets the starter nod. this past year his performance in the first couple months was outstanding but his record down the stretch was a save percentage under 9 and a losing record

almost any goalie might get hot for a 10-12 game stretch... all these nhl goalies are mega talented... but its how they handle the long term mental aspects that come with goaltending that ultimately determin if you can win with them or not

khubodin could never be our goto guy at playoff time imho... he cant be costing more than around a million if we do choose to bring him back. but honestly id like to see the kids get a chance before we lose them like we lost subban. goalies only get proven or broken under trial by fire

 

[BruinDust]

theres only 24 goalies in the nhl that made more than 4 mill last year... so doing very rough math we know 7 teams couldn't find a starter they felt they should pay more than 4 mill to

8 teams decided to pay a starter 6 mill or more... those 8 goalies were all 28 or older... so making ufa money... and were all very very well decorated... just saying that every starter is making 6 million is wrong to begin with

theres just as many teams at around 4 mill as there is at 6 mill... so even if your % idea carried any merit we should probably be using the 4 mill bench mark as a starter. these backups don't play as well as the hof elite... they cant even outduel the bottom 7 and get a starting job...

so 1/3 of 4 mill by your math would mean that the best backups should be getting around 1.33 mill

now maybe the top 7-10 backups actually give you the same quality as the bottom 7 starters... so only the top 7-10 backups should get your prized money based on 2/3 1/3 split

the other backups... being clearly little better than ahl goalies... being guys that pretty much let you down when you play them... being guys that that pretty much get replaced every year or two in a futile hope to get someone better... probably cant come close to justifying a claim of 1.3 what the starter is making

and honestly... don't feel too bad for anyone that is making a million dollars a year. we don't need to pass the poor hat.

the path to success... is to have a starter you can count on... and pay him what hes worth

holtby and fleury were both over 5.75 mill last year... penne s at 7 mill... matt murray and martin jones will be joining them very soon... quick and Crawford get paid...

its been a lot of years since anyone with a journyman goalie has had any real success at playoff time

for what its worth... I think khubodin has been one of the better backups during his career... but he wilts and folds anytime he gets the starter nod. this past year his performance in the first couple months was outstanding but his record down the stretch was a save percentage under 9 and a losing record

almost any goalie might get hot for a 10-12 game stretch... all these nhl goalies are mega talented... but its how they handle the long term mental aspects that come with goaltending that ultimately determin if you can win with them or not

khubodin could never be our goto guy at playoff time imho... he cant be costing more than around a million if we do choose to bring him back. but honestly id like to see the kids get a chance before we lose them like we lost subban. goalies only get proven or broken under trial by fire

So your logic is to take the low-end (4.0 million) rather than the average to frame your argument that 1/3 of 4.0 makes sense for paying your back-up?

Just saying every starter makes 6.0 million is wrong, and it's not what I said. It's the average. AVERAGE. And that number makes a lot more sense than using the low-end of 4.0 million.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

So your logic is to take the low-end (4.0 million) rather than the average to frame your argument that 1/3 of 4.0 makes sense for paying your back-up?

Just saying every starter makes 6.0 million is wrong, and it's not what I said. It's the average. AVERAGE. And that number makes a lot more sense than using the low-end of 4.0 million.

ok so lets see what a goalie makes... ok top 20 get paid 6 mill for around 55 games or around 110k per game... check

next 11 make around 3.5 mill for around 55 games or around 700k per game... check

now the next 15... or best backups imaginable... should they be paid based on the top 20 guys who they aren't even close to.... or the next 11 guys who you might argue they are close too?

and those would be the ELITE backups... the guys that cant win starter jobs and thus aren't in the top 31 goalies at all {of course sometimes a team does develop a kid who is taking over and ends up with 2 great goalies, but then the elc and second contract factor kicks in and the kid should be not getting paid anyhow such as when rask didn't get paid despite being ready to take over for thomas}

im sure glad you are the gm managing our cap... holy cow

 

[BruinDust]

ok so lets see what a goalie makes... ok top 20 get paid 6 mill for around 55 games or around 110k per game... check

next 11 make around 3.5 mill for around 55 games or around 700k per game... check

now the next 15... or best backups imaginable... should they be paid based on the top 20 guys who they aren't even close to.... or the next 11 guys who you might argue they are close too?

im sure glad you are the gm managing our cap... holy cow

Thanks for the complement!

 

[sooshii]

 

[smithformeragent]

Dallas Stars reach agreement with ex-Bruins goaltender Anton Khudobin


The Dallas Stars will very likely have a new backup goaltender.
Anton Khudobin, formerly of the Boston Bruins, has an agreement with the Stars on a two year deal to serve as the backup to starter Ben Bishop. He will play all of the 2019 season as a 32-year-old and will be signed through his age 34 season.

And that’s that.

 

[Dr Hook]

Dallas Stars reach agreement with ex-Bruins goaltender Anton Khudobin
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The Dallas Stars will very likely have a new backup goaltender.
Anton Khudobin, formerly of the Boston Bruins, has an agreement with the Stars on a two year deal to serve as the backup to starter Ben Bishop. He will play all of the 2019 season as a 32-year-old and will be signed through his age 34 season.

And that’s that.

So that guy that was posting here about this and wouldn't say how he knew, actually did know something, or had one hell of a lucky guess

 

[Chief Nine]

So that guy that was posting here about this and wouldn't say how he knew, actually did know something, or had one hell of a lucky guess

It would have been OK if he hadn’t posted it as a done deal and maybe he did have inside info but it’s against site rules to post it the way he did without a link.

 

[GahdenRinkRat]

We will miss him on the bench, very funny and seemed to be loved by his teammates, wish him well except when B’s play the big D

 

[bruinmann77]

Zane era starts ?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Zane era starts ?

likely not, you'll need someone to mentor Vladar in Providence

 

[N o o d l e s]

Zane era starts ?

Did you miss the Halak news?