And No One Dared Disturb the Sound of Silence (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XXII

[Dubi Doo]

People have to understand they're getting into the dirty areas of negotiations. It's going to be an up and down process. The key is for them to gut through it and keep negotiating.

 

[PhoenyX]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

NHLPA's offered concept to NHL on Make Whole would see players go down to 50-50 of HRR by Year 3. So there's a phase-in element to it

 

[McJC]

They ordered Chinese and now can't decide how to split the lo mein.

57% for the players, however once they get more lo mein, they'll gradually split it 50/50

 

[T-Funk]

Maybe wait for a deal to be done before worrying yourself over when the season would start...

I'm not worried. Just don't like the notion that a season can't possibly start Nov 30 or Dec 31 but is perfectly OK to start Dec 1 or Jan 1.

 

[RandR]

How do these people know what is going on inside the secret room? Are players, owners, don, gary, steve, daly sending real time text updates?

They hang out in the hallways near the meeting room. Every once in a while someone needs to take a leak. They strategically tail them into the men's room, and then while taking a whiz in the adjacent cubicle, voila...

Hey Jeremy, fancy meeting you here. How are things going?

 

[SK13]

If the NHL agrees to revenue share, why would the PA agree to go to 50/50 so easy?

Isn't this all about a handful of teams not making money?

Revenue sharing would cure that with the contracts going to 50/50, right?

There's a reason the league has considered revenue sharing a secondary issue, while the PA is pushing for it. It doesn't solve the owners mandate.

They don't want to buoy struggling teams, they want to reengineer the market so that EVERY team has a bigger slice.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Bingo!

Their mindset is that if they give in on HRR split, that money has to go to revenue sharing and not lining the rich owners pockets.

If that's true then I'm no longer worried.

But no one really knows what's happening in there. For all we know, Toews stormed in and proposed all those silly things before being escorted out of the time zone.

 

[Honeycutt]

copied my post from another response

and i disagree bc i always have viewed a sports league different than a traditional business.

the players can go and do a charity game and sell it out in 20 mins. the players could do a nation wide tour and probably sell out all the games. if the owners tried to use replacement players in the nhl, they would be laughed at. THIS league is driven by the players. the owners that loose money in "risks" are owners who have made terrible business decisions, deals, or are operating stubbornly in bad markets

How did Ryan Smyth's charity games go in 2004? I would gladly support replacment players and i know i a lot of other people that would too.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

NHLPA's offered concept to NHL on Make Whole would see players go down to 50-50 of HRR by Year 3. So there's a phase-in element to it

It's still better than the last proposal, which brought the split to 50/50 by year 6 or 7.

And obviously it's linked this time - because the NHL didn't storm out.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

at this point, all we can hope for is that they continue to talk.

 

[guyincognito]

People do understand the point of negotiating is to negotiate, right? My main issue with this is maybe that the talks started too early. Which means there really isn't a need to rush, which means it's easy for someone to dig in too far or maybe even walk away.

If this was two weeks later they'd be under alot more pressure to get something done.

 

[Hanklite*]

I hope the NHL takes the NHLPAs offer, accepts with some minor tweaks that really screws over the players long term earning potential.

 

[WayneSid9987]

at this point, all we can hope for is that they continue to talk.

This.
I'll enjoy the Rus/Can Subway series and call it a day.

 

[Kopistar]

Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice
NHL, by the way, has been willing to negotiate on rev. sharing among teams. So, I still think that's an issue sides can work through.

 

[Hanklite*]

If that's true then I'm no longer worried.

But no one really knows what's happening in there. For all we know, Toews stormed in and proposed all those silly things before being escorted out of the time zone.

I have said all along, if the NHLPA lowers to the 50/50 the NHL has to add to the revenue sharing pot.

$220M in Revenue Sharing = 51/49 split in players favor
$250M in Revenue Sharing = 50/50

 

[bleedblue94]

How did Ryan Smyth's charity games go in 2004? I would gladly support replacment players and i know i a lot of other people that would too.

youre referencing a game from 8 years ago when fans were siding with the owners for the most part. generally it is a different situation this time.

also in case you havent noticed since 2004 the game has gain much more popularity and a bigger following, hence the arguing over the increased revenues in this lockout

then go start watching the echl or uhl, bc thats the quality of hockey you will be seeing. i hope you enjoy that...

furthermore if the stanley cup were awarded to a team made of replacement players that would be a travesty

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I'm not worried. Just don't like the notion that a season can't possibly start Nov 30 or Dec 31 but is perfectly OK to start Dec 1 or Jan 1.

I think it's more likely to start on a Saturday (gut feeling), Flames/Oilers match on December 1 would be fine with me to start the season. But any day after November 30 would likely be the start, since the arenas have been told they can free up space for things like wedding shows and Cesar Milan.

 

[Boltsfan2029]

7-8 days is apparently all the time they need based on the previous oct25th/26th deadline and Nov 2 start date.

Wasn't that when it would have been the already existing schedule with the missed games made up later? That's far different than re-doing an entire season's schedule on a couple of weeks' notice.

Provided at least some arenas haven't completely filled their Nov schedule(they haven't), an agreement any time before Nov 22 COULD very easily lead to a start date before Dec 1

I dunno. I used to work for a Traveling Secretary (the one who does all the road trip arrangements, etc.) for an MLB team, and what he went through sure took a whole lot of time - certainly far longer than a week or two. (MLB schedules come out before the current season is even close to over, giving them months to get this sort of stuff done.) I wonder, realistically, how many U.S. hotels will have 30+ rooms available for 1-2 nights right around Thanksgiving on a week or so notice?

Plus, let's say the arena in Tampa is available on a particular date, but the one in Sunrise isn't available within a few days (before or after), making it impossible to hit both towns in one trip. That's not attractive to owners or players. (Substitute Philadelphia/Pittsburgh, any two teams that are usually played during one road trip.)

There's just so much more to putting together a schedule for 30 teams than meets the eye.

 

[MrNasty]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

NHLPA's offered concept to NHL on Make Whole would see players go down to 50-50 of HRR by Year 3. So there's a phase-in element to it

In other words the same damn thing they offered weeks ago. Not going to end well.

For those that think it is perfectly fair for the "rich" teams to share all their profit with poor teams...then why can't the highest paid players give some of their salary to the lower paid players..same concept right?

appears to me the PA only protects the richest players. They don't care about the guys coming into the league now or the players that fight for contracts year in year out. Instead the want to make the Shea Webers of the league get their well earned 14 mill per year front end contract even if the other players have to pay for it in escrow.

 

[Martyros]

I'm predicting a long night today, and I mean that in a positive way.

 

[T-Funk]

I think it's more likely to start on a Saturday (gut feeling), Flames/Oilers match on December 1 would be fine with me to start the season. But any day after November 30 would likely be the start, since the arenas have been told they can free up space for things like wedding shows and Cesar Milan.

BUT if they haven't filled it up yet, there is much more money to be made on an extra hockey game or two than a wiggles concert.

I would agree that it at least starts on a weekend. Start it on a weekday and you might actually get that boycott some people are talking about.

 

[Honeycutt]

youre referencing a game from 8 years ago when fans were siding with the owners for the most part. generally it is a different situation this time.

also in case you havent noticed since 2004 the game has gain much more popularity and a bigger following, hence the arguing over the increased revenues in this lockout

then go start watching the echl or uhl, bc thats the quality of hockey you will be seeing. i hope you enjoy that...

furthermore if the stanley cup were awarded to a team made of replacement players that would be a travesty

How have the AHL, ECHL crowds been with NHL players playing?

 

[Bologna 1]

in all honesty, i can understand the push for revenue sharing from the PA's side despite how much i have despised them throughout most of this. i think it would be healthy for the league as a whole in the long run (in the end, isnt that the goal here?), although the wealthier teams wouldnt be too happy i suppose. that and i can also understand them wanting current contracts covered for the most part.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

so much for "silence"

leaked info all over the place

 

[bleedblue94]

In other words the same damn thing they offered weeks ago. Not going to end well.

For those that think it is perfectly fair for the "rich" teams to share all their profit with poor teams...then why can't the highest paid players give some of their salary to the lower paid players..same concept right?

appears to me to only protect the richest players. They don't care about the guys coming into the league now or the players that fight for contracts year in year out. Instead the want to make the Shea Webers of the league get their well earned 14 mill per year front end contract even if the other players have to pay for it in escrow.

but the players ARE willing to contribute to this hence going from 57 to 50. neither side should be forced to foot the whole bill on revenue sharing. they both can contribute.

however i will say that the players are NOT the ones keeping these teams in weak markets