Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[sting101]

Why don't you pull up the info and enlighten us on the other 9 teams on his list?

Sure do you have his agents phone number?

 

[Kane One]

Sure do you have his agents phone number?

You said CapFriendly has this info. Go pull it up then.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You said CapFriendly has this info. Go pull it up then.

Capfriendly lists that he has a NTC, teams are only known by the agent.

 

[mouser]

I didn’t see a link to the by-law, just the cut and paste, And couldn’t find the by-law with google, if you have it, can you post it, thanks.

Unfortunately I'm not aware of a publicly available source for the By-Laws.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Unfortunately I'm not aware of a publicly available source for the By-Laws.

Okay thanks, that’s why I couldn’t find it. I feel like I found a copy 5-10 years ago, but not since.

 

[amnesiac]

 

[Kane One]

Capfriendly lists that he has a NTC, teams are only known by the agent.

Yes we know that. What CapFriendly doesn’t tell you is if the NTC was void for the season. It just tells you if the contract has one.

CapFriendly didn’t have any information that Vegas didn’t have.

 

[The Marquis]

Yes we know that. What CapFriendly doesn’t tell you is if the NTC was void for the season. It just tells you if the contract has one.

CapFriendly didn’t have any information that Vegas didn’t have.

I'll tell you what Vegas had that CapFriendly doesn't have... easy access to the player and his agent.

 

[Kane One]

I'll tell you what Vegas had that CapFriendly doesn't have... easy access to the player and his agent.

How does this in any way refute my argument?

OP said “Pretty hilarious that Capfriendly has the info yet the Knights supposedly didn't.”

Does Vegas having access to the player and agent somehow prove that “CapFriendly has the info”? Let me repeat what’s been stated in this thread a million times: CapFriendly did not have the info regarding the validity of the NTC.

This situation was more nuanced than simply asking “how did Vegas not know this when CapFriendly did?”

 

[sting101]

You said CapFriendly has this info. Go pull it up then.

it lists a 10 team No trade

And my point was only that it's funny that a public website that is commonly used for a reference point on salaries for amateurs and fans apparently had more info than the head office of the Knights could abstract. What a hilarious fuxx up for the Gifted Knights it looks good on them and pointing fingers at Ottawa just makes it pathetic.

It's not like this issue for cap hasn't been lingering around and you would think when they started drumming up things to do that they would have not been so incompetent and waited till there was no time left putting Dadonov's career in a bad place and risking that there could be an issue

The important thing is somehow the league managed to do the right thing here. Was not expecting that. Vegas lol

 

[Kane One]

it lists a 10 team No trade

And my point was only that it's funny that a public website that is commonly used for a reference point on salaries for amateurs and fans apparently had more info than the head office of the Knights could abstract. What a hilarious fuxx up for the Gifted Knights it looks good on them and pointing fingers at Ottawa just makes it pathetic.

It's not like this issue for cap hasn't been lingering around and you would think when they started drumming up things to do that they would have not been so incompetent and waited till there was no time left putting Dadonov's career in a bad place and risking that there could be an issue

The important thing is somehow the league managed to do the right thing here. Was not expecting that. Vegas lol

The contract says that he has the right to submit a 10 team no trade list. The contract does not specify whether or not his list for the season is void.

 

[The Marquis]

How does this in any way refute my argument?

OP said “Pretty hilarious that Capfriendly has the info yet the Knights supposedly didn't.”

Does Vegas having access to the player and agent somehow prove that “CapFriendly has the info”? Let me repeat what’s been stated in this thread a million times: CapFriendly did not have the info regarding the validity of the NTC.

This situation was more nuanced than simply asking “how did Vegas not know this when CapFriendly did?”

Not refuting your argument, Bud, I’m adding to it.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The contract says that he has the right to submit a 10 team no trade list. The contract does not specify whether or not his list for the season is void.

So wouldn't it be incumbent upon the team whom he plays for to confirm it & not take another teams' word for it?

 

[Kane One]

Not refuting your argument, Bud, I’m adding to it.

Whoops, my bad. The ellipses in your comment made me think you were being sarcastic.

 

[Kane One]

So wouldn't it be incumbent upon the team whom he plays for to confirm it & not take another teams' word for it?

Yes. When the list was submitted for this season, he was with Ottawa, so Ottawa had the list. Vegas likely took Ottawa’s word, or purposely played dumb once Vegas traded for him and noticed they didn’t receive the list.

 

[Mattb124]

it lists a 10 team No trade

And my point was only that it's funny that a public website that is commonly used for a reference point on salaries for amateurs and fans apparently had more info than the head office of the Knights could abstract. What a hilarious fuxx up for the Gifted Knights it looks good on them and pointing fingers at Ottawa just makes it pathetic.

It's not like this issue for cap hasn't been lingering around and you would think when they started drumming up things to do that they would have not been so incompetent and waited till there was no time left putting Dadonov's career in a bad place and risking that there could be an issue

The important thing is somehow the league managed to do the right thing here. Was not expecting that. Vegas lol

Legitimately, VGK had more information than CapFriendly. It is just that the information VGK had was either wrong (believing the M-NTC was invalid when the trade was attempted) or they ignored the M-NTC clause and hoped that the trade would go through regardless (e.g. Dadonov would waive for ANA).

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yes. When the list was submitted for this season, he was with Ottawa, so Ottawa had the list. Vegas likely took Ottawa’s word, or purposely played dumb once Vegas traded for him and noticed they didn’t receive the list.

That tweet means nothing to me, honestly. I'm not holding my breath for the NHL to document what exactly happened, but doing business the way Vegas did in this situation will continually bite you in the ass.

 

[Kane One]

Yes. When the list was submitted for this season, he was with Ottawa, so Ottawa had the list. Vegas likely took Ottawa’s word, or purposely played dumb once Vegas traded for him and noticed they didn’t receive the list.

To add to this, my guess is that once Vegas traded for him and noticed they didn’t receive the list, they thought that instead of confirming with his agent, they would try to pull a fast one on the league, Ducks, and Dadonov and blame Ottawa if they got caught. They sure as hell must have known what they were doing here.

 

[bbgobie]

The point everyone else is making is, No Cap Friendly does not have more information than they have or a list of teams as you posted. Its been widely reported that they were told the NTC was null and invalid.

 

[Boris Zubov]

To add to this, my guess is that once Vegas traded for him and noticed they didn’t receive the list, they thought that instead of confirming with his agent, they would try to pull a fast one on the league, Ducks, and Dadonov and blame Ottawa if they got caught. They sure as hell must have known what they were doing here.

Especially If that LA times article is accurate & they did indeed ask Dadonov to waive. That's pretty damning.

 

[sting101]

The contract says that he has the right to submit a 10 team no trade list. The contract does not specify whether or not his list for the season is void.

It really doesn't matter i'm not that invested in the argument. Were both not privy to discussions at either end of these deals so were left to speculate.

as far as what i said you can make a big deal if you want but i'm just expressing that it's funny that a fan website that i'm sure personnel probably use as a quick reference from time to time (but maybe not) could have at least given them the inclination to seek clarity if they were not so reckless to hope for the best at the final minutes of a deadline without proper communications from a 33yr old veteran player or his agent.

Anyway i'm out.......this looks good on Vegas they knew exactly what they were doing with the trade for Eichel and the subsequent Stone LTIR and how this would be timed for playoffs so they could inject their cheat strategy. Screw them and the gifted process that Bettman handed them i hope they miss the playoffs and look like a bigger bunch of idiots then they already do

 

[bbgobie]

That tweet means nothing to me, honestly. I'm not holding my breath for the NHL to document what exactly happened, but doing business the way Vegas did in this situation will continually bite you in the ass.

Let me fix this for you.

I'm not holding my breath for the NHL to document what exactly happened, but doing business the way the Senators does sucks for the rest of the league

 

[TGWL]

Yes we know that. What CapFriendly doesn’t tell you is if the NTC was void for the season. It just tells you if the contract has one.

CapFriendly didn’t have any information that Vegas didn’t have.

It's still a red flag, no? Whether still accurate or not based on a void, a team should have done their due diligence regardless who is at fault.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Let me fix this for you.

I'm not holding my breath for the NHL to document what exactly happened, but doing business the way the Senators does sucks for the rest of the league

Ottawa might have their own internal issues...hiring Pierre McGuire for example, but I don't fault them for Vegas' f*** up here.

Until definitive proof surfaces that confirms what Ottawa did or didn't tell Vegas, it's all conjecture. Regardless, Vegas had 9 months to verify his NTC status & chose not to.

Plus there's a quote in the LA Times that says Dadonov was asked to waive for Anaheim. So....

 

[The Marquis]

Ottawa might have their own internal issues...hiring Pierre McGuire for example, but I don't fault them for Vegas' f*** up here.

Until definitive proof surfaces that confirms what Ottawa did or didn't tell Vegas, it's all conjecture. Regardless, Vegas had 9 months to verify his NTC status & chose not to.

Plus there's a quote in the LA Times that says Dadonov was asked to waive for Anaheim. So....

Wouldn't it be something if he was asked to waive for Anaheim BEFORE the trade was submitted to the league?