Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[Larry Hanson]

Do any of the other 21 teams have the LTIR contracts total value going back that Vegas was interested in that those teams would be willing to trade? I'm pretty sure that would narrow down those 21 teams considerably.

I doubt Vegas was interested in Kesler's LTIR contract. It's a common misconception that taking on a LTIR contract gives you more cap room. It raises your cap ceiling but the contract still counts against that cap so it's a wash with no gain. I imagine Anaheim wanted it thrown in for real dollar reasons.

 

[Brazen331]

Maybe they wait until the season is almost over to trade him? The way he is playing, the price VGK might have to pay could actually come down.

I know the majority opinion in this thread is that VGK will get sodomized in any trade, that they will have to be made to pay, and that revenge against them must be had, for this or that transgression, but there could actually be a bit of a bidding war for Daddy.

He is not all that bad a commodity when you get paid a 2nd rounder for a Forward in a contract year who could very well pot 25 or 30 goals, looking for his final payday. But you don’t have to necessarily wait around to see if he does score all those goals because you could get another 2nd rounder for him at the deadline next year.

Seems like a smart thing to do for a rebuilding team with extra Cap. He is a bit overpaid perhaps but you are only tied to him for a year.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

He ended up with a goal and 2 assists. Welcome back … lolololol

Makes Vegas look even more foolish.

 

[Ciao]

Maybe they wait until the season is almost over to trade him? The way he is playing, the price VGK might have to pay could actually come down.

I know the majority opinion in this thread is that VGK will get sodomized in any trade, that they will have to be made to pay, and that revenge against them must be had, for this or that transgression, but there could actually be a bit of a bidding war for Daddy.

He is not all that bad a commodity when you get paid a 2nd rounder for a Forward in a contract year who could very well pot 25 or 30 goals, looking for his final payday. But you don’t have to necessarily wait around to see if he does score all those goals because you could get another 2nd rounder for him at the deadline next year.

Seems like a smart thing to do for a rebuilding team with extra Cap. He is a bit overpaid perhaps but you are only tied to him for a year.

Trading him at the end of the season doesn't help much because salaries are calculated on a day-by-day basis. That's why you accumulate cap space for every day you're under the cap, and spend unused cap space for every day you're over the cap.

I don't know that Vegas has any unused cap space to spend.

 

[Ciao]

Vegas has been playing very rough and ready around the cap for quite a while now, and it doesn't surprise that they've found themselves in this mess.

That's especially so because they eventually relied on a last-minute deal to become cap-compliant, leaving themselves no room for error.

It is quite a mess.

 

[Brazen331]

Vegas has been playing very rough and ready around the cap for quite a while now, and it doesn't surprise that they've found themselves in this mess.

That's especially so because they eventually relied on a last-minute deal to become cap-compliant, leaving themselves no room for error.

It is quite a mess.

You’re right. At this point it might make more sense for them to hold on to everyone and their assets as well, and hope they make the playoffs without their LTIR players.

Good thing for them they made sure that 1st they gave up for Eichel was Top Ten protected. I imagine this board would melt down if VGK were to win the lottery.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Vegas has been playing very rough and ready around the cap for quite a while now, and it doesn't surprise that they've found themselves in this mess.

That's especially so because they eventually relied on a last-minute deal to become cap-compliant, leaving themselves no room for error.

It is quite a mess.

That's why many teams are dealing well before the deadline these days.

 

[CupInSIX]

Told, not asked.

 

[Craigo85]

Told, not asked.

Would have been great for him to follow up and ask if Vegas knew about the no trade list considering that seems to be a point of confusion in the reporting.

 

[Craigo85]

This entire fiasco isn’t some grand conspiracy, etc. Although, if you’ve traded for an Ottawa player recently, you may want to make sure it isn’t the case with your player too.

Someone in Ottawa’s front office obviously screwed up. Teams don’t use Cap Friendly, though maybe they should check it as part of their due diligence trading for a player…

There’s also very few players who have a NMC.. in the grand scheme of things anyway. Traded twice during it? Almost never happens. Hell, maybe Ottawa thought it only applied to them and it didn’t move with the contract. Who knows.

When he was traded to Vegas, Ottawa didn’t technically have to mention it (during that transaction, to get it done) because Vegas wasn’t on that list. Even if they thought it was valid. Whether it was ever discussed at all, we don’t know but it wasnt an obligation to complete THAT trade. The player obviously never said anything either because Vegas wasn’t on that list.

So it looks like it just got lost in the shuffle somewhere.

That said, obviously Ottawa should have mentioned it, and should’ve supplied Vegas with that list after the transaction. Just seems like they forgot or like I said, misunderstood.

The NHL needs to obviously secure this from every happening again.

How is it obvious that Ottawa screwed up?

How is it not obvious that Vegas was incompetent by not verifying part of the contract they acquired, especially as they got closer to trading him.

It's possible that Ottawa screwed up. It is obvious that Vegas did.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Told, not asked.

So that L.A. Times article that people were citing as proof was BS?
Shocking.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Told, not asked.

and the League approved the trade.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So that L.A. Times article that people were citing as proof was BS?
Shocking.

With the new MOU, all NTCs move to the new traded team, since Dadanov was traded a year after MOU took affect, Dadonovs list, transfers to Vegas. Assuming it was updated on time, which apparently it was.

 

[CupInSIX]

With the new MOU, all NTCs move to the new traded team, since Dadanov was traded a year after MOU took affect, Dadonovs list, transfers to Vegas. Assuming it was updated on time, which apparently it was.

That's not what the issue was.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

That's not what the issue was.

It's the basis of the issue, but Vegas' fault for forgetting that clause.

 

[Larry Hanson]

It's the basis of the issue, but Vegas' fault for forgetting that clause.

They didn't forget that clause, they (and the league) were led to believe that the NTC had been voided.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

They didn't forget that clause, they (and the league) were led to believe that the NTC had been voided.

Ah, maybe they didn't check the 10-team list is what I wanted to say.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Ah, maybe they didn't check the 10-team list is what I wanted to say.

They weren't given the 10 team list, Ottawa told them they didn't receive one from the player.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

They weren't given the 10 team list, Ottawa told them they didn't receive one from the player.

The Anaheim trade.

 

[Larry Hanson]

The Anaheim trade.

Again, they didn't have his no trade list, they thought it didn't exist.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Again, they didn't have his no trade list, they thought it didn't exist.

Yeah, so they didn't bother to check his no-trade list, because they thought it didn't exist.

 

[Drumman44]

All this finger pointing is so tiresome. It's a professional sports league. There should be some standardization and accountability.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They weren't given the 10 team list, Ottawa told them they didn't receive one from the player.

Whether they did or not, they need to make a phone call to the agent, since the NTC moves to the new team if filed on time. Vegas screwed this up, since it’s in the CBA.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

All this finger pointing is so tiresome. It's a professional sports league. There should be some standardization and accountability.

This is an unreasonable act to the point of defying standardization and accountability.

 

[BondraTime]

The trade list does need to go with the player to the new team. That’s the whole issue at play. Vegas was not given this list and information, according to the league and Vegas.

The trade list was given to Ottawa on June 30th. The trade list was not given or relayed on the trade call. That is the whole issue. The league and Vegas were given no list, and led to believe the list was null and void. There was no list in either of their minds, due to the dialogue and/or lack of documentation during the official trade call and documentation.