Even if Hossa retires after he is traded, it will count against our cap.
I'm starting to think the Hawks will buy him out not this summer, but next, especially if he runs into injury problems again.
This post is laughable. Are you seriously comparing the Hossa situation to Crosby?
One is the best player in the NHL signed through age 37.
The other is maybe one of the top-20 forwards in the league, already 34, signed through age 42.
People who think it is ridiculous to buy-out Hossa are being extremely short-sighted. Yeah he might be decent for the next four seasons. But do you really think he is going to play out the last 4-5 years of that contract in his last-30's early 40's when making $1m a year?
At that point we'll be allocating a $5+ million chunk of our cap to a guy not on the team. For 4-5 seasons.
You have to be under 70.2 for this year I believe. Hawks are at 64.5 so they are fine even with Rusty.So what is the official cap number for this season? If we can't buy these guys out until summer then Olesz is on the team.
Is the bonus cushion in effect this year?
Looks like Leddy is either in the AHL or we are carrying 8 defensemen..and are probably over the cap because of it. Man that Oduya signing was so stupid.
Unless we put Montador on LTIR... and the cap is 64 mil or higher then we might be okay. Otherwise we have to trade Frolik or Montador or Olesz I think this year to be under the cap.
You have to be under 70.2 for this year I believe. Hawks are at 64.5 so they are fine even with Rusty.
You make no point but making an great argument why you don't buy him out. All he needs to be is good for 4 more years just like you said. Once he is at 1 mil a year he is gone unless he is still playing at a 5 mil a year type player. If not he would be so easy to trade to a team that does not like to spend a lot of money. Say even if Hossa at that time is a 30-40 point player and plays solid D, you can't sign a guy like that for a mil a year, which is all that matters to a owner that won't spend money anyway cause cap space is not relevant at that point just pure money. He would still be a big time bargain to a team that has an internal budget. How can some people just not grasp how this long term front-loaded contracts will play out.
As for the last part how would Hossa cost us 5 mil of cap space if he is not on the Hawks? If we trade him, he costs us nothing or he retires (which could be highly likely instead of taking the NHL abuse for a mil a year) and his cap hit is still gone.
It looks like if he retires we still get dinged with the cap hit.
Hossa has four years at the end of the deal where he gets paid $1m. Highly doubt he's playing in any of those seasons. You can't trade a retired player, and even the teams who barely reach the cap floor aren't going to trade for 5 years of a player who is going to be retired in 4 of them. If you hold on to him too long you could be stuck with that cap hit.
You make no point but making an great argument why you don't buy him out. All he needs to be is good for 4 more years just like you said. Once he is at 1 mil a year he is gone unless he is still playing at a 5 mil a year type player. If not he would be so easy to trade to a team that does not like to spend a lot of money. Say even if Hossa at that time is a 30-40 point player and plays solid D, you can't sign a guy like that for a mil a year, which is all that matters to a owner that won't spend money anyway cause cap space is not relevant at that point just pure money. He would still be a big time bargain to a team that has an internal budget. How can some people just not grasp how this long term front-loaded contracts will play out.
As for the last part how would Hossa cost us 5 mil of cap space if he is not on the Hawks? If we trade him, he costs us nothing or he retires (which could be highly likely instead of taking the NHL abuse for a mil a year) and his cap hit is still gone.
Nope we don't. Only contracts that were signed at the time of the player being 35 or older when the contract went into effect. Hossa can retire at any time and no cap hit for the Hawks.
Supposedly there are going to be cap penalties for guys over 5 or 6 year contracts who retire with years remaining. I don't think it will be the full cap hit but the Hawks might have some cap space eaten up if Hossa does indeed retire with 4 years remaining on his deal as some have speculated.
I don't see that happening in Hossa's case as contract was involved with the first round on these deals. I think right after the Kovy deal the NHL reached a kind of agreement that these few would be grandfathered in to any new ruling but any signed after that point could face penalty's under the new CBA. Basically it was the NHL's way of saying yes we can't stop you from doing these type of deals because the CBA says you can but there could be punished later on.
Maybe I could be wrong but there were a few that were like this and Hossa's deal was one of them.
This article references Luongo's contract. I'm sure someone here could do the calculations with Hossa's if they want to spend the time on it.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/01/new-cba-doesnt-hurt-roberto-luongo.html
Lou's deal was signed after the NHL warning though I believe. I guess we will have to wait and see how this plays out and if the NHL honors the few that were told would be grandfathered in.
Take a look at the link I posted. It discusses Luongo, who signed his current contract one year after Hossa signed his. This is the NHL's way of punishing the teams who signed the long contracts. I'm shocked the players allowed this to be in the CBA.
Luongo actually signed his in Sept 2009, not long after Hossa signed with the Hawks. I believe this is for any contract over 6 years, no matter when it was signed.
Where did you get this from? I've only read that if they retire on any contract then it would count against cap. It doesn't make too much sense because most of the problem was coming from 28 year old players being signed to 10+ year deals. If this is the case I don't know why they would even include anything about it in the CBA.
Yep, here is the relevant wording from the last CBAVery confused.
1) I thought the cap hit post-retirement was only in effect for players 36 and older (see Doan).
2) Hossa signed his Contract when he was 31is right? Wouldn't the Hawks be immune to his cap hit then? Even if he retires in 3 years?
In the new CBA, ANY player who is currently signed to a deal that is 6 years or longer will be stuck with the cap hit if the player retires.
That's, Hossa, Keith, Luongo, Kovy, Parise, Suter, Weber, etc