All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread Part VII - The Steals Weren't There

[WreckingCrew]

What #3G might be available if we can't rely on Raanta? Halak from VAN? Don't think we can afford MAF from Chicago without cap out. Maybe CBJ Korpisalo (though he's not been great this year) OR ANA Stolarz? Since they have Tarasov & Dostal respectively as younger rising guys to take over?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I would try acquiring Holtby if Dallas decides that they're out of the playoff hunt. If not him, however, I would try acquiring Stolarz.

 

[Chrispy]

What #3G might be available if we can't rely on Raanta? Halak from VAN? Don't think we can afford MAF from Chicago without cap out. Maybe CBJ Korpisalo (though he's not been great this year) OR ANA Stolarz? Since they have Tarasov & Dostal respectively as younger rising guys to take over?

Part of the question I have is how they deal with the 3rd goalie. Healthy extra, or do they get someone they can put on the taxi squad? Or risk putting Raanta on waivers to move to the taxi squad (doubtful)?

Halak could be fit under the current cap as a healthy extra goalie.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Idk, I'm not particularly concerned. Raanta has been fine this year when healthy. If we're talking about the playoffs, Andersen is a clear-cut #1 that will start every game unless he gets hurt, and in that case we go to Raanta, and only if he gets hurt do we even have an issue.

You know who's a perfectly serviceable #3? Alex Lyon, the guy we signed in the offseason to be our #3. We do not need Holtby or Fleury or whoever.

I don't feel like this is a place of need for us right now, and I'm not really sure where the concern is coming from. Lafontaine was an emergency add based on COVID protocol throughout the organization, and he probably was promised an NHL start in order to jump ship from Minnesota. Now he's back down, and we have the Andersen/Raanta duo that we've always had, unless I'm missing something.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Idk, I'm not particularly concerned. Raanta has been fine this year when healthy. If we're talking about the playoffs, Andersen is a clear-cut #1 that will start every game unless he gets hurt, and in that case we go to Raanta, and only if he gets hurt do we even have an issue.

You know who's a perfectly serviceable #3? Alex Lyon, the guy we signed in the offseason to be our #3. We do not need Holtby or Fleury or whoever.

I don't feel like this is a place of need for us right now, and I'm not really sure where the concern is coming from. Lafontaine was an emergency add based on COVID protocol throughout the organization, and he probably was promised an NHL start in order to jump ship from Minnesota.

I think if Lyon or Makiniemi is going to be available for an emergency basis, it's less of an issue. Was it injuries or Covid protocol that made both unavailable? It's if Freddie needs a rest and Raanta is injured/COVID that's where there's a major issue without a capable #3 as we just saw happen. I still don't understand why they wouldn't have played Raanta unless they absolutely promised Jack a full NHL game to play? I just don't see a coach being happy with pissing away a perfectly winnable game against a not-great team for that reason. Sure it wasn't all on Jack, but the team seemed to lose all motivation in front of a goalie who looked like he didn't understand the position even. Obviously it's not all on Jack and the whole team turned to doo-doo...but that seemed more a result of everyone basically expecting 1/4 shots to go in, how do you stay motivated for that? Maybe RBA should have said everyone play deep in the zone as backup goalie, but that also goes completely against our play-style this year of going balls-out most of the time

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Idk, I'm not particularly concerned. Raanta has been fine this year when healthy. If we're talking about the playoffs, Andersen is a clear-cut #1 that will start every game unless he gets hurt, and in that case we go to Raanta, and only if he gets hurt do we even have an issue.

You know who's a perfectly serviceable #3? Alex Lyon, the guy we signed in the offseason to be our #3. We do not need Holtby or Fleury or whoever.

I don't feel like this is a place of need for us right now, and I'm not really sure where the concern is coming from. Lafontaine was an emergency add based on COVID protocol throughout the organization, and he probably was promised an NHL start in order to jump ship from Minnesota. Now he's back down, and we have the Andersen/Raanta duo that we've always had, unless I'm missing something.

Right. We shouldn't get panicked about the 3G spot just because a guy with literally zero full NHL games OR AHL GAMES to his name got shellacked. Still, though, I think Stolarz or especially Holtby could be a nice add if there's an injury apocalypse.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Right. We shouldn't get panicked about the 3G spot just because a guy with literally zero full NHL games OR AHL GAMES to his name got shellacked. Still, though, I think Stolarz or especially Holtby could be a nice add if there's an injury apocalypse.

And at the end of the day, 2 things can be true at once: LaFontaine is not ready to be an NHL goaltender, AND we played like poopoo in front of him and left him out to dry on several goals.

But at the end of the day, Alex Lyon is a pretty darn good journeyman third goalie and it doesn’t get much better than him. Sure, if we know before the deadline that it’s him going into the playoffs, of course we go out and get someone else. But right now we’ve got Freddie and Raanta healthy.

 

[Chrispy]

I think if Lyon or Makiniemi is going to be available for an emergency basis, it's less of an issue. Was it injuries or Covid protocol that made both unavailable? It's if Freddie needs a rest and Raanta is injured/COVID that's where there's a major issue without a capable #3 as we just saw happen. I still don't understand why they wouldn't have played Raanta unless they absolutely promised Jack a full NHL game to play? I just don't see a coach being happy with pissing away a perfectly winnable game against a not-great team for that reason. Sure it wasn't all on Jack, but the team seemed to lose all motivation in front of a goalie who looked like he didn't understand the position even. Obviously it's not all on Jack and the whole team turned to doo-doo...but that seemed more a result of everyone basically expecting 1/4 shots to go in, how do you stay motivated for that? Maybe RBA should have said everyone play deep in the zone as backup goalie, but that also goes completely against our play-style this year of going balls-out most of the time

Yes, it's only if Raanta is injured that we are worried about the #3 goalie.

And what are the odds of that?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

If there are questions about Raanta's durability today, there will be questions this time next year. If the backup position needs to be addressed, Raanta needs to go, as carrying 3 veteran NHL goalies is very inefficient. Even just this year, Holtby in full would leave less than $1 mil (talking about a player's full-season number) for anything else at the deadline.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If cap space is a concern, maybe we can dip into the NCAA for someone up and coming

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

And at the end of the day, 2 things can be true at once: LaFontaine is not ready to be an NHL goaltender, AND we played like poopoo in front of him and left him out to dry on several goals.

But at the end of the day, Alex Lyon is a pretty darn good journeyman third goalie and it doesn’t get much better than him. Sure, if we know before the deadline that it’s him going into the playoffs, of course we go out and get someone else. But right now we’ve got Freddie and Raanta healthy.

Some of that poor play, however, sort of went hand-in-hand. If you know that the guy behind you has no experience whatsoever, you also start making mistakes, as well. Most of those types of circumstances don't lead to the David Ayres outcome.

 

[chaz4hockey]

SN suggesting Leafs make a play for Scott Mayfield of the Islanders. 29 years old and $1.45M cap hit next year.

Any takers?

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Idk, I'm not particularly concerned. Raanta has been fine this year when healthy. If we're talking about the playoffs, Andersen is a clear-cut #1 that will start every game unless he gets hurt, and in that case we go to Raanta, and only if he gets hurt do we even have an issue.

You know who's a perfectly serviceable #3? Alex Lyon, the guy we signed in the offseason to be our #3. We do not need Holtby or Fleury or whoever.

I don't feel like this is a place of need for us right now, and I'm not really sure where the concern is coming from. Lafontaine was an emergency add based on COVID protocol throughout the organization, and he probably was promised an NHL start in order to jump ship from Minnesota. Now he's back down, and we have the Andersen/Raanta duo that we've always had, unless I'm missing something.

I don't think we can win a cup with Raanta IF Freddie were to go down, I think that's why we're seeing talk about trying to acquire a goalie. But then again I don't think the Lightning or Panthers can win a cup with their backups so it's not like it's some unique issue to us that we need to solve asap (and COL and VGK have concerns with their starters...)

 

[Derailed75]

I don't think we can win a cup with Raanta IF Freddie were to go down, I think that's why we're seeing talk about trying to acquire a goalie. But then again I don't think the Lightning or Panthers can win a cup with their backups so it's not like it's some unique issue to us that we need to solve asap (and COL and VGK have concerns with their starters...)

I think we could, the question is would he be available to play if Freddie went down?

 

[IronLion]

Right. We shouldn't get panicked about the 3G spot just because a guy with literally zero full NHL games OR AHL GAMES to his name got shellacked. Still, though, I think Stolarz or especially Holtby could be a nice add if there's an injury apocalypse.

This is not trying to be a smart-ass, but if Anderson gets hurt in the playoffs, we’re not winning the Cup anyway so how important really is a 3rd goalie.

 

[spockBokk]

Total hyperbole and gotta look at the larger picture in player valuations…blah blah blah…but just go with the feelin…

This ain’t raising his trade value any:

 

[WreckingCrew]

Total hyperbole and gotta look at the larger picture in player valuations…blah blah blah…but just go with the feelin…

This ain’t raising his trade value any:

Given their price-points on contracts next year, I think I'd much rather have TDA than Klingberg, he's really fallen off quite a bit it seems

 

[htdoc]

This is the poster example of why Aho pushed so hard to get only 5 years on his second contract... and how Kling wanted his cake and to eat it too...

Klingburg signed a 7 year deal after his entry level deal. He took the security of a guaranteed term and eliminated any risk for himself of falling off and not being able to get another deal.

He definitely outperformed the contract yearly cap hit... great for Dallas as they got great value... now he wants to be made whole for past performance.. but that's not how the new nhl works anymore...

Now because he took 7 years instead of 5 or a bridge deal, he is now hitting 30 and wants another 8 year contract...

Except that the trends changed during his last deal.. not as many teams are as willing to pay into late 30s and give 8 year deals for someone at 30 as opposed to 27 or 28 or less... someone will, but after getting somewhat burned doing that twice already it looks like that won't be Dallas.. nor will it be a bunch of teams...

Klinger is upset because he can't double dip with max term twice in his career with Dallas.. someone may still pay him the crazy money.. but its affecting his play (or he has dropped off a bit and really isn't worth the long term deal he is seeking)...

Its not that different than Slavin for us... I think Slavin has outperformed his current deal. Im not sure we will give him a max 8 year deal when his current contract is up.. we will likely pay him more and he is worth it as he is one of the top dmen in the league.. but Slavin took the security of term and that impacts the next contract given what age he will be at the time and how long we think he will be able to keep up his level of play...

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is the poster example of why Aho pushed so hard to get only 5 years on his second contract... and how Kling wanted his cake and to eat it too...

Klingburg signed a 7 year deal after his entry level deal. He took the security of a guaranteed term and eliminated any risk for himself of falling off and not being able to get another deal.

He definitely outperformed the contract yearly cap hit... great for Dallas as they got great value... now he wants to be made whole for past performance.. but that's not how the new nhl works anymore...

Now because he took 7 years instead of 5 or a bridge deal, he is now hitting 30 and wants another 8 year contract...

Except that the trends changed during his last deal.. not as many teams are as willing to pay into late 30s and give 8 year deals for someone at 30 as opposed to 27 or 28 or less... someone will, but after getting somewhat burned doing that twice already it looks like that won't be Dallas.. nor will it be a bunch of teams...

Klinger is upset because he can't double dip with max term twice in his career with Dallas.. someone may still pay him the crazy money.. but its affecting his play (or he has dropped off a bit and really isn't worth the long term deal he is seeking)...

Its not that different than Slavin for us... I think Slavin has outperformed his current deal. Im not sure we will give him a max 8 year deal when his current contract is up.. we will likely pay him more and he is worth it as he is one of the top dmen in the league.. but Slavin took the security of term and that impacts the next contract given what age he will be at the time and how long we think he will be able to keep up his level of play...

In defense of their decision making, shorter term would have made them hit UFA during a pandemic with a flat cap.

 

[Svechhammer]

Given their price-points on contracts next year, I think I'd much rather have TDA than Klingberg, he's really fallen off quite a bit it seems

I mean given that past events are still likely to keep TDA's contract value suppressed, the smart decision is to try and re-sign him rather than go with just about anyone else who might be available.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I mean given that past events are still likely to keep TDA's contract value suppressed, the smart decision is to try and re-sign him rather than go with just about anyone else who might be available.

That and he's an RFA & younger while Klingberg will likely be looking for his big, long-term, overpriced final contract

 

[Svechhammer]

That and he's an RFA & younger while Klingberg will likely be looking for his big, long-term, overpriced final contract

One thing is for sure.....

we're not gonna let this deadline pass without some kind of deal for a defenseman, because I think we've done that every year under the Borg?

 

[AD Skinner]

I feel like the borg have to have slavin on the hurricane for life list with Aho and Brind'Amour

 

[Svechhammer]

I feel like the borg have to have slavin on the hurricane for life list with Aho and Brind'Amour

I would include Svech with that, because he's the gift that Bettman gave Dundon for buying the team

 

[Unsustainable]

Wonder if the Borg has thought about something like Bear + Suzuki for Kling as a rental for the playoffs?