All Purpose Coaching Thread - Maurice, Assistants, Potential Replacements etc.

[rehf]

Said it the day after Noel was fired, why the hell wasn't all of the assistant coaching staff gone as well.

The sooner Maurice is canned, the sooner we have a chance to right this ship.

I'm terrified of this team overachieving under him for most of the season, and then failing to get in a playoff spot. That is the worst case scenario. Maurice probably stays, everybody else stays, another season of mediocrity.

Don't like to root against the Jets winning, but it's the only way something will change.

 

[folix]

poMO really gets on my nerves. In his presser today basically saying that the team needs to learn how to play defence before we take the next step. No accountability at all. It could not be his systems? It's all on the players is what I got from him today. There has been many young teams that have played good defense. Chicago with their first recent cup. Pittsburg as well. And as recent as Columbus who was the only team younger the us last year I believe but played great defense. IMO this is all coaching, not our players. The thing is we are stuck with him. Because to say stuff like he said today means ( to me) that Chevy and ownership believe him

Don't like morrisey saying we play zone and man to man. No wonder we give up so many free pizzas in our own zone. They are always playing different systems while trying to stop the same puck.

It's just brutal that this team was as unprepared as I've ever seen them last night.

****ting the waterbed bigtime is what i would call it

You would be absolutely shocked at how often ego comes before logic. Pride can and is a real problem with people in management or authority positions. The hardest thing for a coach to do is allow outside eyes to evaluate the team and his systems. The best coaches do "self scouting" where people evaluate what the team is doing and how they are being beat. When you have other people telling you what you are doing wrong and are never used to accepting people telling you what to do because you always tell people what to do.

Ive seen it sports all the time. Ive been on teams where coaches have been fired. As a player YOU know what he is telling you wont work, you go and do it anyway and frustration simply builds. You can try talking to him about it but to be honest its rare a coach will listen, and I mean really listen.

Those are the good ones. Sadly I dont think Maurice has that in him. I wish he did because he is a good guy. But yeah its time for a change.

 

[antiqueslivers]

Sutter with hawerchuk as ass. coach would be my absolute dream!

 

[meedle]

Need a defensive coach. Like Yeo, Robinson, Lemaire, etc. Need to get rid of Huddy and Flahrety also. I said it when Maurice was hired. Was stupid to not wait til the end of the season and go thru the proper process. If we start tanking and go like 1-9 in october, may as well tank for Dahlen at that point and stay the course.

 

[surixon]

I said this in another thread as well but what is the plan here? What type of team do the Jets want to be? I have no idea after watching the last year or so. I see a whole whack load of highly skilled talent in the system but our coach tends to want more simplistic players to round out his rosters. He tends to want to play low event hockey utilizing dump and chase tactics. Both of which are the exact opposite of What He should use for a highly skilled team but it is a system that the captain and some other vets like.

The team looks chaotic on the ice and I can't help but think there are competing interests that are preventing the team from being a good cohesive unit.

As another poster said in another thread you can mitigate against contradicting styles by placing like players together when constructing lines but Maurice seems content on forcing combos together that aren't optimal due to concerns about defense etc.

In the end either Maurice needs to recognize certain things to get the most out of this group or the team needs to bring someone in who can as its really tough to watch this talent spin it's wheels aimlessly.

 

[Festinator]

I said this in another thread as well but what is the plan here? What type of team do the Jets want to be? I have no idea after watching the last year or so. I see a whole whack load of highly skilled talent in the system but our coach tends to want more simplistic players to round out his rosters. He tends to want to play low event hockey utilizing dump and chase tactics. Both of which are the exact opposite of What He should use for a highly skilled team but it is a system that the captain and some other vets like.

The team looks chaotic on the ice and I can't help but think there are competing interests that are preventing the team from being a good cohesive unit.

As another poster said in another thread you can mitigate against contradicting styles by placing like players together when constructing lines but Maurice seems content on forcing combos together that aren't optimal due to concerns about defense etc.

In the end either Maurice needs to recognize certain things to get the most out of this group or the team needs to bring someone in who can as its really tough to watch this talent spin it's wheels aimlessly.

Chevy has drafted and created a team that should be able to have depth throughout the 4 forward lines, Maurice is here limiting that offensive talent to the top two lines and filling the rest with "role players."

 

[Zippity]

What is left in the assistants contract?
Huddy and Flaherty have to go

 

[Aavco Cup]

I said this in another thread as well but what is the plan here? What type of team do the Jets want to be? I have no idea after watching the last year or so. I see a whole whack load of highly skilled talent in the system but our coach tends to want more simplistic players to round out his rosters. He tends to want to play low event hockey utilizing dump and chase tactics. Both of which are the exact opposite of What He should use for a highly skilled team but it is a system that the captain and some other vets like.

The team looks chaotic on the ice and I can't help but think there are competing interests that are preventing the team from being a good cohesive unit.

As another poster said in another thread you can mitigate against contradicting styles by placing like players together when constructing lines but Maurice seems content on forcing combos together that aren't optimal due to concerns about defense etc.

In the end either Maurice needs to recognize certain things to get the most out of this group or the team needs to bring someone in who can as its really tough to watch this talent spin it's wheels aimlessly.

This is pure speculation on my part and in no way should be considered as gospel.

Is it possible our players....vets actually....are the biggest culprits in abandoning the system and causing the breakdowns? Perhaps those players instincts and nature take over when things don't go well and they try to make things happen. Has Maurice spent the major portion of his time here trying to get that group of players to "buy in" Could all the "young player" references Maurice makes in pressers actually be aimed at the vets? Some kind of code? I have no idea if that's true or not but if it is true then it could explain some things that happen in "Jetland"

It's not like the coach has the option to sit those guys because of their contracts and their overall impact on the team. He needs to get then to change their ways. And if that isn't going to hapoen he needs to ensure those "values" don't get transferred to the next generation.

What got me thinking about this was the way Maurice talked about Buff. He said he has his section of the room. That implies someone else has the other section. I think Scheifele is the other guy and his section is probably the young players.

Maybe there's nothing to this but maybe it's not as much on the coach as it is on the players?

Keep your eye on which ones they keep and which ones they let go. Little is obviously a keeper. Who else is?

 

[JetsFan815]

Since Maurice has been selling Tanev/Hendricks being in the lineup due to their PK abilities and some have been saying that "their inclusion is justified as it prevents the top-6 from being out on the PK". I decided to test their PK impact in the context historical Jets penalty killers. I think it is useful to compare them against past and present Jets penalty killers to get an idea of what ballpark they are in. For this we only look at PK numbers (no 5 on 5) of these players and compare them against Jets forwards who have killed penalties since 2011.

Warning: Tlusty/Stempniak/Frolik trigger warning for those faint of the heart, they look very good by these numbers

The following is a graph of unblocked shots against on the PK and goals against on the PK relative to team for all Jets forwards since 2011 (plus Hendricks) who have killed penalties for atleast 15 minutes

*Note: TJ Galliardi was off the charts bad. I had to remove him from the graph as he was skewing this graph too much

Looking at these graphs it is immediately clear that neither Hendricks nor Tanev are PK saviors. There are many Jets who have registered much better PK numbers than either of them and who also have a better 5v5 impact than these guys. Tanev's PK impact is in the same ballpark as guys like Thorburn and Glass. Hendricks is a bit more complicated, his shot suppression impact is not great but he has better goal suppression impact. The ghost of Stempniak/Tlusty/Frolik strikes again as they look like some of the best PK'rs the Jets have ever had, probably partly small sample sizes in case of Stempniak and Tlusty but amusing nonetheless that these guys keep popping up.

Including Hendricks there are 26 forwards who have killed more than 15 minutes of penalties in the history of Jets 2.0. And here is how Hendricks/Tanev rank in some key PK metrics among these 26 forwards:

Player	Rel FA/60	Rel GA/60	Rel xGA/60
Hendricks	18	9	14
Tanev	23	19	24

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Hendricks has a much better goal suppression impact that his Fenwick suppression but some of that is likely luck. There are only a few players that have killed penalties for the Jets that are worse than Tanev. Maurice has absolutely no excuse for using Tanev on the PK or in the lineup. One can make an argument about Hendricks but remember these are just PK numbers. Many of these players have better 5v5 numbers than him as well. Either way to me it doesn't seem like either of these players are such good PK specialists that justifies them being in the lineup over some of the other players.

Copp, Armia and Matthias show very well on the PK. If Moe doesn't want to use the top-6 players on the PK then Jets should be rolling with Copp/Armia/Matthias/Lowry PK units and training Dano to become a PK'r. If Chevy really wanted someone to help out the Jets PK he should have signed Stempniak instead. He literally has the best Goals suppression and shot suppression impact on the PK for any Jets forward in Jets 2.0 history. What can't this man do?

 

[Aavco Cup]

Hendricks has not yet been in the lineup. He won't be for a while apparently. Isn't it early for Hendricks angst?

Tanev is a mystery to all.

 

[KingBogo]

Hendricks has not yet been in the lineup. He won't be for a while apparently. Isn't it early for Hendricks angst?

Tanev is a mystery to all.

You mean the guy who has never played a regular season game for the Jets? Never too early for Angst. But at least the legend of Lee Stempniak lives.

 

[surixon]

This is pure speculation on my part and in no way should be considered as gospel.

Is it possible our players....vets actually....are the biggest culprits in abandoning the system and causing the breakdowns? Perhaps those players instincts and nature take over when things don't go well and they try to make things happen. Has Maurice spent the major portion of his time here trying to get that group of players to "buy in" Could all the "young player" references Maurice makes in pressers actually be aimed at the vets? Some kind of code? I have no idea if that's true or not but if it is true then it could explain some things that happen in "Jetland"

It's not like the coach has the option to sit those guys because of their contracts and their overall impact on the team. He needs to get then to change their ways. And if that isn't going to hapoen he needs to ensure those "values" don't get transferred to the next generation.

What got me thinking about this was the way Maurice talked about Buff. He said he has his section of the room. That implies someone else has the other section. I think Scheifele is the other guy and his section is probably the young players.

Maybe there's nothing to this but maybe it's not as much on the coach as it is on the players?

Keep your eye on which ones they keep and which ones they let go. Little is obviously a keeper. Who else is?

This is pure speculation on my part and in no way should be considered as gospel.

Is it possible our players....vets actually....are the biggest culprits in abandoning the system and causing the breakdowns? Perhaps those players instincts and nature take over when things don't go well and they try to make things happen. Has Maurice spent the major portion of his time here trying to get that group of players to "buy in" Could all the "young player" references Maurice makes in pressers actually be aimed at the vets? Some kind of code? I have no idea if that's true or not but if it is true then it could explain some things that happen in "Jetland"

It's not like the coach has the option to sit those guys because of their contracts and their overall impact on the team. He needs to get then to change their ways. And if that isn't going to hapoen he needs to ensure those "values" don't get transferred to the next generation.

What got me thinking about this was the way Maurice talked about Buff. He said he has his section of the room. That implies someone else has the other section. I think Scheifele is the other guy and his section is probably the young players.

Maybe there's nothing to this but maybe it's not as much on the coach as it is on the players?

Keep your eye on which ones they keep and which ones they let go. Little is obviously a keeper. Who else is?

I don't think your far off on this. Those comments made me think that there might be some factions forming in the room. With regards to the vets and underling the system, I think it's predominantly one individual who's largely responsible for it in Buff. Buffs a dynamic player but beats to his own drum far too often. Bad Buff often plays outside the system and causes a lot of chaos as the other players a scrambling to compensate for his deviations. This often results in other breakdowns occurring. Buff has also been the undisputed leader in penalties each year the last number of years. This might be manageable if Buff was just one of the guys in the room but he's not he essentially has run it for the most part. Many have taken notice that the team often goes as he goes. I don't find it surprising that the team takes on the personification of the leader. When Buff got placed back on defense and was on his best behavior is the year the team dominated and made the playoffs. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Where I disagree is on the function of the coach in these situations. Maurice has essentially enabled many of the issues that plague the team by not dealing with Buff. We have a discipline problem, yet the biggest culprit isn't held accountable. We got an awful lot of bad Buff last year, but no matter the number of mistakes and errors he was sent right back out there. He was allowed to play with impunity last year and don't think a bunch of players in that room didn't take notice. Now I know Maurice likely felt he had no choice in the matter due to injuries etc, but I disagree there is always a choice. He could have upped Morrissey's minutes. Could have used other people on the pp and PK etc.

In the end one of the reasons why I think a fresh voice is needed is because Maurice has lost the ability to reel Buff in. I also think he's lost credibility in the room with regards to preaching about accountability. How can you have a leg to stand on when you don't walk the walk with the biggest culprit.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I don't think your far off on this. Those comments made me think that there might be some factions forming in the room. With regards to the vets and underling the system, I think it's predominantly one individual who's largely responsible for it in Buff. Buffs a dynamic player but beats to his own drum far too often. Bad Buff often plays outside the system and causes a lot of chaos as the other players a scrambling to compensate for his deviations. This often results in other breakdowns occurring. Buff has also been the undisputed leader in penalties each year the last number of years. This might be manageable if Buff was just one of the guys in the room but he's not he essentially has run it for the most part. Many have taken notice that the team often goes as he goes. I don't find it surprising that the team takes on the personification of the leader. When Buff got placed back on defense and was on his best behavior is the year the team dominated and made the playoffs. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Where I disagree is on the function of the coach in these situations. Maurice has essentially enabled many of the issues that plague the team by not dealing with Buff. We have a discipline problem, yet the biggest culprit isn't held accountable. We got an awful lot of bad Buff last year, but no matter the number of mistakes and errors he was sent right back out there. He was allowed to play with impunity last year and don't think a bunch of players in that room didn't take notice. Now I know Maurice likely felt he had no choice in the matter due to injuries etc, but I disagree there is always a choice. He could have upped Morrissey's minutes. Could have used other people on the pp and PK etc.

In the end one of the reasons why I think a fresh voice is needed is because Maurice has lost the ability to reel Buff in. I also think he's lost credibility in the room with regards to preaching about accountability. How can you have a leg to stand on when you don't walk the walk with the biggest culprit.

I think Buff is an easy target. I also think some other vet players have been given much more leash around here than they otherwise would be without that target. I don't accept that it's a one man thing.

Lets assume you are right and Buff is the problem..... what is a coach supposed to do in this situation exactly? He is accepted as the defacto leader in the room. If you attack the leader whether privately or publicly what do you think is going to happen?

You need that guy in so many ways and if you as a coach pick that fight in the wrong way you are likely signing your own death certificate. You need to win him over on his own terms. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

 

[surixon]

I think Buff is an easy target. I also think some other vet players have been given much more leash around here than they otherwise would be without that target. I don't accept that it's a one man thing.

Lets assume you are right and Buff is the problem..... what is a coach supposed to do in this situation exactly? He is accepted as the defacto leader in the room. If you attack the leader whether privately or publicly what do you think is going to happen?

You need that guy in so many ways and if you as a coach pick that fight in the wrong way you are likely signing your own death certificate. You need to win him over on his own terms. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

It's definitely not just Buff but he imo is the biggest culprit on both the systems and penalty front.

What i would have done if I where the coach is that at the beginning of the year i would sit down with all players and come up with as a group a list of acceptable treshholds for things like discipline and mistakes that have plagued the team. Everyone would be allowed to voice their opinion but at the end they'd all sign off and ahree.to the threshold list and supplementary discipline for it. That way no one is signalled out, you take x penalties or skirt your responsibility on the ice well there is a documented reprucsion for it.

Maurice absolutely needs to hold Buff accountable. He needs to send that message that no one is above the team. If he can bench the captain and Scheifele he can damn well bench Buff. This goes for other vets as Well, it shouldn't just be the kids that are held accountable, in the end that will create resentment and he will end up signing his walking papers that way as well as the team will continue performing as is.

It would also be nice if someone took control of the room from him as peer accountability is generally a stronger motivator than authoritative accountability.

 

[cheswick]

Said it the day after Noel was fired, why the hell wasn't all of the assistant coaching staff gone as well.

The sooner Maurice is canned, the sooner we have a chance to right this ship.

I'm terrified of this team overachieving under him for most of the season, and then failing to get in a playoff spot. That is the worst case scenario. Maurice probably stays, everybody else stays, another season of mediocrity.

Don't like to root against the Jets winning, but it's the only way something will change.

It's a little difficult to replace the entire coaching staff with a mid-season firing.

 

[Aavco Cup]

It's definitely not just Buff but he imo is the biggest culprit on both the systems and penalty front.

What i would have done if I where the coach is that at the beginning of the year i would sit down with all players and come up with as a group a list of acceptable treshholds for things like discipline and mistakes that have plagued the team. Everyone would be allowed to voice their opinion but at the end they'd all sign off and ahree.to the threshold list and supplementary discipline for it. That way no one is signalled out, you take x penalties or skirt your responsibility on the ice well there is a documented reprucsion for it.

Maurice absolutely needs to hold Buff accountable. He needs to send that message that no one is above the team. If he can bench the captain and Scheifele he can damn well bench Buff. This goes for other vets as Well, it shouldn't just be the kids that are held accountable, in the end that will create resentment and he will end up signing his walking papers that way as well as the team will continue performing as is.

It would also be nice if someone took control of the room from him as peer accountability is generally a stronger motivator than authoritative accountability.

Perhaps that was the real reason for the Hendricks signing?

 

[surixon]

Perhaps that was the real reason for the Hendricks signing?

Hendricks doesn't have the on ice ability or clout to do so imo.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Hendricks doesn't have the on ice ability or clout to do so imo.

On ice ability is not what I'm talking about. Listening to the Oilers players talk about him tell me had a large presence there relative to his ability. Those weren't cliche type responses they gave. He was very respected there. He is very vocal on the bench according to Maurice. I imagine he is very vocal in the room as well. He is also senior to Buff Wheeler etc.

 

[surixon]

On ice ability is not what I'm talking about. Listening to the Oilers players talk about him tell me had a large presence there relative to his ability. Those weren't cliche type responses they gave. He was very respected there. He is very vocal on the bench according to Maurice. I imagine he is very vocal in the room as well. He is also senior to Buff Wheeler etc.

He was on the Oilers for two seasons before McDavid and their room and organization was a mess. People can respect a person in the room but the best players won't listen to or follow him. The Oilere tried the same thing earlier with bringing inFerence to set the tone but the kids ignored him. At the end of the day 4th liners dont conmend the kibd of respect needed to get buy in. They need a star player to take control of the room

 

[Aavco Cup]

He was on the Oilers for two seasons before McDavid and their room and organization was a mess. People can respect a person in the room but the best players won't listen to or follow him. The Oilere tried the same thing earlier with bringing inFerence to set the tone but the kids ignored him. At the end of the day 4th liners dont conmend the kibd of respect needed to get buy in. They need a star player to take control of the room

You so easily dismiss this. How do you know players don't follow Hendricks? Is this another assumption of yours? Your version doesn't mesh with all the anecdotal evidence out there

McDavid was one of Hendricks biggest supporters and probably was the Oiler who spoke most highly about him.

Ask yourself this......the org decides it wants to bring in a respected vet to have another way to "motivate" the establishment. They attempt a couple things at the XD the entry draft and free agency but it doesn't work out. In the end given the available budget and available players who else was there?

 

[cbcwpg]

Interesting that the defense always seem to be a problem on this team, yet the coach with the longest tenure is Charlie Huddy. Something doesn't add up.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

It's a little difficult to replace the entire coaching staff with a mid-season firing.

Only time might be that mandated week off.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Only time might be that mandated week off.

Jan 14-19

 

[Howard Chuck]

This is pure speculation on my part and in no way should be considered as gospel.

Is it possible our players....vets actually....are the biggest culprits in abandoning the system and causing the breakdowns? Perhaps those players instincts and nature take over when things don't go well and they try to make things happen. Has Maurice spent the major portion of his time here trying to get that group of players to "buy in" Could all the "young player" references Maurice makes in pressers actually be aimed at the vets? Some kind of code? I have no idea if that's true or not but if it is true then it could explain some things that happen in "Jetland"

It's not like the coach has the option to sit those guys because of their contracts and their overall impact on the team. He needs to get then to change their ways. And if that isn't going to hapoen he needs to ensure those "values" don't get transferred to the next generation.

What got me thinking about this was the way Maurice talked about Buff. He said he has his section of the room. That implies someone else has the other section. I think Scheifele is the other guy and his section is probably the young players.

Maybe there's nothing to this but maybe it's not as much on the coach as it is on the players?

Keep your eye on which ones they keep and which ones they let go. Little is obviously a keeper. Who else is?

First of all, thanks for creating this thread, as I hope it keeps some of this out of the GDTs.

In that home opener, when Wheeler was fleeing the zone after the faceoff and we were scored upon, his face said it all to me. He knew exactly what he did. Whether you can change that behaviour or not, I don't know.

Buff in our own end chases guys up to the blue line and out of position. Everyone knows this now. EVERYONE, listen to the media. If they know it, you can guarantee that opposing teams know.

It's kind of comical (but not really), listening to the radio, or reading the articles from people not Jets fans. Every single one of them says that the Jets have no defensive structure. They all say we have talent out the yazoo, but until we fix this, we are going nowhere.

Isn't Huddy in charge of our defence? Why is he not held responsible for this?

Is it really possible that every single goalie that has played for the Jets is terrible? I don't think so. The first period of the home opener we were moving like crazy, but Toronto kept us on the outside and cleared the lanes so Anderson saw everything. We took a bazillion shots, but he was able to see and stop all of them. Conversely, we gave up much better opportunities in our own end. Much fewer shots, but they were all good opportunities. Mason was a good team player and didn't throw anyone under the bus, but honestly, the best thing for this team would be to start holding people accountable. It won't happen publicly, but it better happen.

It's not just that we have to be better in our own end, we don't even look like we know what we are supposed to do, this is evidenced by Morrissey's comment on the radio.

/rant

 

[Duke749]

Buff wasn't the issue on that 3rd goal and I don't know why it keeps getting brought up. Perreault was covering no one and screened Mason as well.