Player Discussion Alex Galchenyuk - The Hockey Thread Edition **Mod Warning in 1st Post

[Habs178]

Indeed....

And then no response from the scout LOL...shocker

 

[Monctonscout]

how does that compare to dd's stats....

-4 in 19 games but only 50% o-zone starts

 

[smirob]

-4 in 19 games but only 50% o-zone starts

.....and points?

 

[Patccmoi]

.....and points?

Who cares about points? He's only -4!

 

[WeThreeKings]

Who cares about points? He's only -4!

And his o-zone starts!!

 

[Patccmoi]

Seriously, it that "aweful" 19 games stretch for Galchenyuk, he had 9 points... out of 35 goals for the entire team.

Meaning that he's been involved in over 25% of the team's goals. Talk about being aweful.

Yes he has fairly bad stats there, but so has EVERYONE during that stretch. He's actually been one of the better producing forwards there...

 

[VAN-HAB]

MT is killing every ounce of talent and creativity out of Chuky so he can become a 2 way forward and a better person.

 

[smirob]

I just figured that because scout identified Galchenyuks points (lack thereof I suppose) in his argument, he may want to identify the points that the offensive dynamo taking his place has produced in the same timeline.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Seriously, it that "aweful" 19 games stretch for Galchenyuk, he had 9 points... out of 35 goals for the entire team.

Meaning that he's been involved in over 25% of the team's goals. Talk about being aweful.

Yes he has fairly bad stats there, but so has EVERYONE during that stretch. He's actually been one of the better producing forwards there...

Yup. Galchenyuk and Pacioretty lead our team with 9 points each since December 1st.

Anyone who watched the games knows Galchenyuk has been our best forward since December 1st, too.

 

[MXD]

Yup. Galchenyuk and Pacioretty lead our team with 9 points each since December 1st.

Anyone who watched the games knows Galchenyuk has been our best forward since December 1st, too.

Indeed.
And the 2nd best is Byron.

And THAT is a big, big problem.

 

[Monctonscout]

A .5 PPG pace for a third liner puts him in good company. Maybe like MacArthur or Ladd, but those two guys have out done da wittle Davey easy....

Oh, he plays with Eller and Carr, not a fertile environment.

The issue is the ugly -11 in 19 games...on top of the fact that that player is force fed offensive zone starts. That's a brutal stat, very telling why AG was moved to LW.

Let's blame Desharnais for that though...fits better in the HF Boards bias...

 

[SirClintonPortis]

MT is killing every ounce of talent and creativity out of Chuky so he can become a 2 way forward and a better person.

MT cannot develop two-way forwards either...At least Martin "developed" Hossa without killing his offense.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

The issue is the ugly -11 in 19 games...on top of the fact that that player is force fed offensive zone starts. That's a brutal stat, very telling why AG was moved to LW.

Let's blame Desharnais for that though...fits better in the HF Boards bias...

Ah, use the +/- stat, the one that only establishes it could be his fault, but not definitely his fault without dragging out the video stat. Impressive intellectual laziness.right there

 

[MXD]

The issue is the ugly -11 in 19 games...on top of the fact that that player is force fed offensive zone starts. That's a brutal stat, very telling why AG was moved to LW.

Let's blame Desharnais for that though...fits better in the HF Boards bias...

I'm usually on your side on those DD debates, because he gets flak for the wrong reasons by simple minded individuals.

But not here. DD is... not good at all since December 1st. Not that Galchenyuk was great, mind you -- nobody had to be great to be the best forward on that team in the last 45 days. A

 

[Monctonscout]

MT cannot develop two-way forwards either...At least Martin "developed" Hossa without killing his offense.

Yup, I mean it's not like pcaioretty went from a one way player to a guy that got a lot of Selke votes...

 

[Monctonscout]

I'm usually on your side on those DD debates, because he gets flak for the wrong reasons by simple minded individuals.

But not here. DD is... not good at all since December 1st. Not that Galchenyuk was great, mind you -- nobody had to be great to be the best forward on that team in the last 45 days. A

It's not about one player vs another.

When a player is -11 in 19 games and does that while being fed offensive zone starts(63%), it should be a HUGE red flag about his defensive play.

Given that nobody should be shocked that they shifted him to LW.

That is the point, but most posters will conveniently overlook it because they all bow at the ridiculous talent of Galchenyuk and the horribleness of Desharnais. It got old a long time ago.

 

[Monctonscout]

Another point...

https://twitter.com/HankBart91/status/688061583206019072

 

[MXD]

It's not about one player vs another.

When a player is -11 in 19 games and does that while being fed offensive zone starts(63%), it should be a HUGE red flag about his defensive play.

Given that nobody should be shocked that they shifted him to LW.

That is the point, but most posters will conveniently overlook it because they all bow at the ridiculous talent of Galchenyuk and the horribleness of Desharnais. It got old a long time ago.

LOOK-HOW-BOTH-GUYS-PLAY instead of blabbing numbers of little or no worth.

 

[Monctonscout]

Ah, use the +/- stat, the one that only establishes it could be his fault, but not definitely his fault without dragging out the video stat. Impressive intellectual laziness.right there

So +- is a useless stat but this place is polluted with stats about shot attempts. At least +- factors in actual pucks in the net...you know the ones that actually win or lose games.

The habs have had a good cosri even since December 1st but still lose...

PS. I'm not saying +- is the be all and end all, but like other stats it has it's use when considering the context of the player/team.

 

[76]

Gachenyuk looked instantly more dangerous when he was placed on wing in the last game. It caught my attention, he was way more visible and all over the ice, he looked like he was feeling free again. I want him to become a top center but right now, as we saw last game, I think he looks really more comfortable on wing.

 

[MXD]

Another point...

https://twitter.com/HankBart91/status/688061583206019072

Okay, on one hand, Galchenyuk gets lots of Ozone starts.

On the other, Galchenyuk doesn't block lots of shots.

WTF is the defending team supposed to do, shoot from goalline...?!?!?!

 

[MXD]

Gachenyuk looked instantly more dangerous when he was placed on wing in the last game. It caught my attention, he was way more visible and all over the ice, he looked like he was feeling free again. I want him to become a top center but right now, as we saw last game, I think he looks really more comfortable on wing.

He also produced no scoring chances whatsoever from the wing.

 

[Video Coach]

TSN ice chips confirms Chucky will stay on DDs wing for a while and that he was moved there for poor defensive play.

Not sure how playing him on the wing improved his defensive play. Obviously it doesn't, just MT trying a quick temp fix instead of trying to develop him.

 

[Habaddict]

Gachenyuk looked instantly more dangerous when he was placed on wing in the last game. It caught my attention, he was way more visible and all over the ice, he looked like he was feeling free again. I want him to become a top center but right now, as we saw last game, I think he looks really more comfortable on wing.

Everyone knows he should be more dangerous on the wing. That's
a given. He doesn't have as many responsibilities on the wing. And he has
more experience there. I hope he gets to play on the right side. He can
make more use of his shot from there, and he was great on right wing in junior.

Once the team gets turned around a bit, he can go back to learning
to play center. If that is still the long term plan.

 

[MXD]

TSN ice chips confirms Chucky will stay on DDs wing for a while and that he was moved there for poor defensive play.

Not sure how playing him on the wing improved his defensive play. Obviously it doesn't, just MT trying a quick temp fix instead of trying to develop him.

A while...?!?!?!