Alec Baldwin Fatally Shoots Crewmember on Film Set

[The Crypto Guy]

Also, I thought I read the armorer was doing two different jobs on set.

Probably. The producer, Alex Baldwin, tried to cut corners and skimp out on safety to save a few bucks, and this was the result.

 

[Osprey]

Also, I thought I read the armorer was doing two different jobs on set.

I read that, too. I recall that her other job was hair or costume assistant or something like that. I got the impression that she wasn't near the scene when the tragedy occurred, so she may've been off performing her other job. I don't know much about film set protocol, but I would think that a firearms expert would always be present when a firearm is being handled, in case the actor has a question about it or is handling it unsafely (like pointing it at the cinematographer).

 

[Kiwi]

Again, an actor/actress is someone who pretends to be someone. Just because they pretend to know how to use a gun, doesn’t mean they do.

This means countless actors/actresses have never fired or used a real gun before.

You expect a person who isn’t a weapons expert or perhaps has zero experience with a handgun, to properly check it?

What if they shoot themselves or someone else when inspecting the gun, because they have no clue what they are doing?

This is exactly why you have armorers/weapons specialists on set.

You claim if they have little experience with guns to get the armorer to help them inspect it, which makes no sense as this would have already been done.

If Baldwin in fact did what you suggested he would have asked Gutierrez Reed, who loaded the gun herself and couldn’t discern the difference between the live and dummy rounds.

But Baldwin would know the difference though?

It’s not even logical.

Gutierrez Reed claimed she loaded a live round into the gun that somehow got mixed in with the dummy rounds.

Again if she didn’t know the difference, how would Baldwin? Someone made a mistake somewhere as the dummy rounds should easily be distinguishable from live rounds for a weapons expert.

People aren’t thinking this through very well in regards to Baldwin, especially the prosecutor.

Here’s a good article explaining the confusion about the dummy vs live rounds and how it’s not always easy to tell the difference:

‘Rust’ Investigation: Where Did the Live Round Come From?

The 'Rust' investigation still has yet to answer one of the key questions: Where did the live round come from?

variety.com

You aren't free of responsibility because you aren't a firearm expert and if you are unable to tell what type of round is in said firearm you shouldn't take possession of it let alone point it at people

It's a firearm, it's potentially lethal no matter how experienced you are so you make whoever loaded that weapon open it in front of you and you inspect it together, especially if you're inexperienced with weapons

Baldwin pulled the trigger, she's dead because of it so he shouldn't get a pass because others were also criminally negligent

That being said I think he pleas this down like the person that handed him the firearm and he does some community service

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

Don't hire 24 year old with no experience who got the gig cause of dad to be your armorer maybe. The world is full of inexperienced 24 year olds who suck at their job... fortunately most don't handle guns.

I work at a grocery store and am having a hell of a time with a sales rep that sucks ass and is ordering me double the product that the store sells every week, causing me to waste a ton of time putting it away and risking it going expiring eventually, I have huge obvious overstack of the less popular kinds and she keeps ordering them. I phoned her a month ago to chill out and it hasn't helped much. I looked her up and she's like 22 year who was playing college bball last year and just started with them. Don't mean to be agist/sexist but my point is if I was an actor I wouldn't want someone like this checking if guns are loaded on the set. A film with a budget like Top Gun Maverick is going to be only hiring the best. Rust? Not sure...

 

[Albatros]

Probably. The producer, Alex Baldwin, tried to cut corners and skimp out on safety to save a few bucks, and this was the result.

Baldwin is not the producer, but one of several, presumably primarily responsible for the creative. His co-producer Ryan Smith as the owner of the production company Thomasville Pictures likely had much more to do with employment as well as health and safety issues.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You aren't free of responsibility because you aren't a firearm expert and if you are unable to tell what type of round is in said firearm you shouldn't take possession of it let alone point it at people

It's a firearm, it's potentially lethal no matter how experienced you are so you make whoever loaded that weapon open it in front of you and you inspect it together, especially if you're inexperienced with weapons

Baldwin pulled the trigger, she's dead because of it so he shouldn't get a pass because others were also criminally negligent

That being said I think he pleas this down like the person that handed him the firearm and he does some community service

It’s your job as an actor to point it at ppl and pretend, and the expert who handed it to you is hired specifically to ensure that gun is safe.

It’s not the actor’s job to understand what live and dummy rounds look like. That’s an impossible task unless the actor is a weapons expert who is familiar with all of the suppliers designations for dummy rounds.

How is that point difficult to understand?

It’s completely illogical to expect the actor to know the difference.

If Baldwin asked for it to be inspected, it would have been done by the same armorer who put live rounds in the chamber because she couldn’t discern the difference between live and dummy rounds.

So basically you expected Baldwin to examine the rounds and know which ones were live and dummy rounds when the armorer couldn’t?

Makes total sense.

 

[Voight]

Glad hes getting charged. TBH I thought he'd get a a "smaller" charge being rich/famous so its good to see nobody is above the law.

Probably won't spend much if any time in jail but at least the justice system worked.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Glad hes getting charged. TBH I thought he'd get a a "smaller" charge being rich/famous so its good to see nobody is above the law.

Probably won't spend much if any time in jail but at least the justice system worked.

Eh we’ll see. I bet this scumbag doesnt see a day in jail with all the money and connections he has unfortunately. Being charged with something doesnt really mean much but It’s a step in the right direction.

 

[Hasbro]

Don't hire 24 year old with no experience who got the gig cause of dad to be your armorer maybe. The world is full of inexperienced 24 year olds who suck at their job... fortunately most don't handle guns.

Except for armies.

Baldwin practically ran a clinic on what not to do since the accident.

 

[Voight]

Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter in Rust shooting

Prosecutors accuse the actor of many "extremely reckless acts" as he is charged with an on-set death.

www.bbc.com

So he didn't even care to do proper training.

 

[Jussi]

Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter in Rust shooting

Prosecutors accuse the actor of many "extremely reckless acts" as he is charged with an on-set death.

www.bbc.com

So he didn't even care to do proper training.

This by the way is straight up bullshit:

"Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don't intend on shooting," Mr Shilling added.

Literally every actor who has done any action movies featuring guns has done it. Of course proper safety measures were used in them (let's not bring "The Crow" into this...), but the point stands. Erin Cummings, who's regular on John Campea's show, brought this up when they talked about charges being raised. She mentioned she's done it numerous times on numerous tv shows she's been on, because they expect the gun to not be packed with real bullets.

 

[Richard]

This by the way is straight up bullshit:



Literally every actor who has done any action movies featuring guns has done it. Of course proper safety measures were used in them (let's not bring "The Crow" into this...), but the point stands. Erin Cummings, who's regular on John Campea's show, brought this up when they talked about charges being raised. She mentioned she's done it numerous times on numerous tv shows she's been on, because they expect the gun to not be packed with real bullets.

IF that is the standard they used to charge Baldwin, I would expect a quick acquittal and a lawsuit and hopefully attempt to bring prosecutorial misconduct. There are exceptions even written into the laws of most jurisdictions concerning acting and stage productions. For example, you can't have a sword in public unless you are an actor on the stage or television production. The law understands that an actor in a play may use a prop in a manner that is unacceptable to the rest of society -- IE pointing a prop gun at another person. In real life that is an agg assault at the very least.

 

[Osprey]

Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter in Rust shooting

Prosecutors accuse the actor of many "extremely reckless acts" as he is charged with an on-set death.

www.bbc.com

So he didn't even care to do proper training.

That reminds me of one of his post-incident interviews in which he sounded proud of his 30 years of gun experience. It seems like he figured that he was above having to go through weapons and safety training.

IF that is the standard they used to charge Baldwin, I would expect a quick acquittal and a lawsuit and hopefully attempt to bring prosecutorial misconduct.

It's not. From the article:

The charging document outlines at least a dozen "acts or omissions of recklessness" leading up to the shooting, including:

• Not using a replica firearm for an unscheduled rehearsal
• Letting the armourer leave the set against protocol
• Deviating from the practice of only receiving the gun from the armourer
• Not dealing with safety complaints on set
• Not performing required safety checks with the armourer, who was hired without adequate certification

 

[The Crypto Guy]

IF that is the standard they used to charge Baldwin, I would expect a quick acquittal and a lawsuit and hopefully attempt to bring prosecutorial misconduct. There are exceptions even written into the laws of most jurisdictions concerning acting and stage productions. For example, you can't have a sword in public unless you are an actor on the stage or television production. The law understands that an actor in a play may use a prop in a manner that is unacceptable to the rest of society -- IE pointing a prop gun at another person. In real life that is an agg assault at the very least.

Lmao, it's not. Just Jussi's failed attempt to make Baldwin look innocent by pulling on anything. Sad he can't look at all the facts without his gross bias showing.

 

[Richard]

That reminds me of one of his post-incident interviews in which he sounded proud of his 30 years of gun experience. It seems like he figured that that he was above going through weapons and safety training.

It's not. From the article:

• Not using a replica firearm for an unscheduled rehearsal ---> Who handled him the gun, how would Baldwin know it was not a replica? This is a trash argument
• Letting the armourer leave the set against protocol --> Baldwin personally let the armorer leave the set? Was there a chain of command? A 2nd producer on set? Baldwin was an actor as well as producer, was he at rehearsal, trailer etc?
• Deviating from the practice of only receiving the gun from the armourer --> From my recollection he received the gun from the 2nd unit director who yelled it was clear. I would review the actual written procedures but thats not enough for a manslaughter conviction, sorry. That is negligence, perhaps but not gross negligence.
• Not dealing with safety complaints on set --> Again, need to see the actual documentation and the role of Actor versus producer --- why werent the other producers of the film charged?
• Not performing required safety checks with the armourer, who was hired without adequate certification --> Again, did Baldwin actually interview and hire her? Did she lie? Why was just Baldwin charged... I know any hiring process in any film I've worked on has multiple parties and some require multiple signatures for any contract document --- why weren't these people charged?

See my answers in bold ---- still chicken shit publicity stunt.

 

[Troy McClure]

My prediction is Baldwin gets acquitted by a jury, but the armorer is found guilty.

 

[Jussi]

Lmao, it's not. Just Jussi's failed attempt to make Baldwin look innocent by pulling on anything. Sad he can't look at all the facts without his gross bias showing.

I'm not trying to make him look innocent. He carries the burden as ONE of the producers. Just pointing out the one point which is inherently false in the industry.

My prediction is Baldwin gets acquitted by a jury, but the armorer is found guilty.

Isn't the AD also in trouble due to his history of negligence?

 

[Voight]

My prediction is Baldwin gets acquitted by a jury, but the armorer is found guilty.

Not coincidentally, the one with fame and money will be acquitted.

 

[Troy McClure]

Not coincidentally, the one with fame and money will be acquitted.

Also the one with the least responsibility of everyone brought up so far. He is just an actor.

Isn't the AD also in trouble due to his history of negligence?

The AD took a plea deal. "The film industry veteran pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor count of negligent use of a deadly weapon and received a suspended six-month sentence of unsupervised probation, according to documents viewed by The Times."

It looks like prosecutors gave the AD a sweetheart deal in order to get some cooperation trying to go after the biggest name involved because prosecuting celebrities is better for a prosecutor's career than some no name AD.

 

[Jussi]

Also the one with the least responsibility of everyone brought up so far. He is just an actor.



The AD took a plea deal. "The film industry veteran pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor count of negligent use of a deadly weapon and received a suspended six-month sentence of unsupervised probation, according to documents viewed by The Times."

It looks like prosecutors gave the AD a sweetheart deal in order to get some cooperation trying to go after the biggest name involved because prosecuting celebrities is better for a prosecutor's career than some no name AD.

Ah, I did not know that. I don't follow this that clearly unless John Campea covers it or it's brought up in Finnish media. Also, I don't really care about Alec Baldwin. He's still the guy from 30 Rock to me and I haven't even finished that show.

 

[Osprey]

See my answers in bold ---- still chicken sh*t publicity stunt.

Those are actually questions, not answers, and why there's a trial.

My prediction is Baldwin gets acquitted by a jury, but the armorer is found guilty.

If I understand correctly, there will be two sets of charges for a jury to decide between. One is more serious, requires more proof and has a harsher sentence (5 years in jail). The other is less serious, requires less proof and has a lighter sentence (up to 18 months in jail and a $5K fine). The lesser charge increases the chance of a guilty verdict. I was on a jury in which we had a similar decision and found the accused guilty of the lesser charge. It's often easier to get 12 jurors to agree to that than to the greater charge or "not guilty." I could see that happening with Baldwin.

 

[Behn Wilson]

Those are actually questions, not answers, and why there's a trial.

If I understand correctly, there will be two sets of charges for a jury to decide between. One is more serious, requires more proof and has a harsher sentence (5 years in jail). The other is less serious, requires less proof and has a lighter sentence (up to 18 months in jail and a $5K fine). The lesser charge increases the chance of a guilty verdict. I was on a jury in which we had a similar decision and found the accused guilty of the lesser charge. It's easier to get everyone to agree to that than to the greater charge or "not guilty." I could see that happening with Baldwin.

plus there will be civil charges against him too

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Not only did he talk to the cops without a lawyer he went and did a interview a few months later on national Tv

Lock him up

plus there will be civil charges against him too

Already settled I believe

Those are actually questions, not answers, and why there's a trial.

If I understand correctly, there will be two sets of charges for a jury to decide between. One is more serious, requires more proof and has a harsher sentence (5 years in jail). The other is less serious, requires less proof and has a lighter sentence (up to 18 months in jail and a $5K fine). The lesser charge increases the chance of a guilty verdict. I was on a jury in which we had a similar decision and found the accused guilty of the lesser charge. It's often easier to get 12 jurors to agree to that than to the greater charge or "not guilty." I could see that happening with Baldwin.

I believe that’s probably why he’s charged the way he is, they’re hoping they can at least get a compromise verdict. It’s going to be interesting

 

[Jussi]

Hopefully the one really needed outcome from this is new stricter gun safety protocols on sets, if not straight up a mandatory gun safety supervisor.

 

[NyQuil]

Not coincidentally, the one with fame and money will be acquitted.

Look at Dick Cheney.

He shot someone in the face with a knowingly fully loaded weapon.

Wasn't even charged.