Player Discussion Alain Vigneault (MOD: Re-read rules 13-15)

[True Blue]

Where did I say I didn't like them winning?

I find it a little odd that fans of an organization that has 1 Cup in 75 years and many years of no success at all, can critique the style with which a team is finding success. To each their own I guess. For me, winning is winning. After being a fan of this team for so many years, one undeniable fact is that you are not granted extra points for loosing in a pretty way or given less points for winning in a not so pretty way.

Play defensive hockey, offensive hockey, whatever you want. Just play with heart and passion. And that has been instilled in this organization. And that started with Renney and continued with Torts. Torts was instrumental in changing the culture of this team. So to denigrate the success that he had is a little odd.

 

[Wolfy*]

What an amazing coach he is, a huge upgrade compared to Tortorella. I don't understand how Vancouver could fire Vigneault.

And lets not forget Sather, he's a damn good manager.

And the Cup is only 10 weeks away

 

[GordonGecko]

And lets not forget Sather, he's a damn good manager.

This is 90% Gorton's doing

We need to win the cup ASAP so Slats can ride into the sunset and we can promote Jeff before he gets poached away by the Leafs or something

 

[Tawnos]

This is 90% Gorton's doing

We need to win the cup ASAP so Slats can ride into the sunset and we can promote Jeff before he gets poached away by the Leafs or something

Gorton is 100% Sather's doing. 100% of 90% combined with the 10% that is himself, and you get 100%.

This is 100% Sather's doing.

 

[Draft Guru]

This is 90% Gorton's doing

We need to win the cup ASAP so Slats can ride into the sunset and we can promote Jeff before he gets poached away by the Leafs or something

Only team that could poach Gorton would be the Bruins, and this has been my fear for a while.

 

[PromNite]

Craig Button just said on NHL Live that AV deserves the Adams.

 

[egelband]

I heard a similar sentiment on m-vs-w this past week. It's about time AV started getting some recognition. He is an amazing team-builder. This group is so tight.

 

[Kwayry]

I am still not sold on AV until he wins a cup. That's why he was let in Van. I must say though that it's more pleasurable to watch this team than the 6 goalie system.

 

[Draft Guru]

I am still not sold on AV until he wins a cup. That's why he was let in Van. I must say though that it's more pleasurable to watch this team than the 6 goalie system.

So let's just discredit the fact he has taken two different teams to the finals in the last 4 years.

You know how hard it is to win a cup? The guy has put his teams in position to have the opportunity to win one. Multiple times. His teams have had some pretty unfortunate bounces and crappy luck in the finals. The losses weren't due to coaching.

The guy is a fantastic coach. One of the best in the league.

 

[Kwayry]

So let's just discredit the fact he has taken two different teams to the finals in the last 4 years.

You know how hard it is to win a cup? The guy has put his teams in position to have the opportunity to win one. Multiple times. His teams have had some pretty unfortunate bounces and luck in the finals. He didn't lose because of his coaching.

The guy is a fantastic coach. One of the best in the league.

He is a good coach, but he needs to win a cup. Peace.

 

[Beacon]

So let's just discredit the fact he has taken two different teams to the finals in the last 4 years.

You know how hard it is to win a cup? The guy has put his teams in position to have the opportunity to win one. Multiple times. His teams have had some pretty unfortunate bounces and crappy luck in the finals. The losses weren't due to coaching.

The guy is a fantastic coach. One of the best in the league.

Two Stanley a Cup Finals, 2 and maybe now 3 President's Trophy awards, consistent pattern of success. The current Rangers team is NHLs best in part because AV is a great coach. We wouldn't be #1 in the NHL under Cappy, Torts, Renney, and certainly not under the clowns running the ship during the Dark Ages.

 

[Inferno]

great coach...dont agree with the prevent defense though.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I know the Rangers are a really good team, but I am at a loss for words that the NHL media isn't saying that AV is a slam dunk for the Jack Adams based on the Ranger's über performance when the franchise anchor missed a month of play.

 

[sjosty26]

I feel like we might score a couple more goals every once in a while if our fourth line isn't only limited to offensive zone faceoffs.

 

[BHD]

Craig Button just said on NHL Live that AV deserves the Adams.

He does. That people are pushing for guys like Hartley is laughable.

 

[Miamipuck]

He's been great this year but history dictates the type of coach that wins this award. That type of coach isn't typically one that went to the prior Stanley Cup Finals.

This award can be named, "the coach that turns around a teams record the most in a season" award. In that respect I don't think AV has a shot at it. It shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Alain Vigneault now has 3 seasons in the last 5 years where his team won 50+ games. Ohw, and he also got to 49 wins twice. Vigneault's record since the lockout:

700 games
408 wins
222 losses
70 OT losses
886 points

That is an average of 47.66 wins per season (82 games)

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

AV should win the Jack Adams, especially if we win the PT

 

[Doctyl]

I am still not sold on AV until he wins a cup. That's why he was let in Van. I must say though that it's more pleasurable to watch this team than the 6 goalie system.

what?

 

[darko]

Alain Vigneault now has 3 seasons in the last 5 years where his team won 50+ games. Ohw, and he also got to 49 wins twice. Vigneault's record since the lockout:

700 games
408 wins
222 losses
70 OT losses
886 points

That is an average of 47.66 wins per season (82 games)

That's pretty darn impressive.

 

[Ori]

AV should win the Jack Adams, especially if we win the PT

I agree, but I don't understand the use of Glass this season, but
I guess u need an enforcer who can hit hard and play physical.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I agree, but I don't understand the use of Glass this season, but
I guess u need an enforcer who can hit hard and play physical.

I think he lets his personal feelings for Glass get in the way.

 

[Zamboner]

AV isn't a perfect coach, but he is by far, the best coach we've had since 1994. Coming off the last one, it's nice to have a real head coach again.

 

[Havre]

What an amazing coach he is, a huge upgrade compared to Tortorella. I don't understand how Vancouver could fire Vigneault.

And lets not forget Sather, he's a damn good manager.

And the Cup is only 10 weeks away

The Canucks didn't fire AV for being a bad coach. I'm a Canucks fan and my guess is that 95-99% of Canucks fans rate AV very highly. However, we were trending downwards badly (totally dominated in the play-offs in AVs last two years) and I can understand why the management tried something else more or less for the sake of just doing something. A veteran team infected with NTCs.... there wasn't really much choice.

We actually looked much better early on with Tortorella. But for whatever reason he ran our best players in the ground. Then he blamed lack of depth for not using a 4th line properly. Managing to tire out our best players and alienate our 4th in the process. I haven't seen any evidence of our current coach being any better than Tortorella at anything else than managing ice time among our top players better and giving confidence to the depth players (as well as Edler). If Tortorella had had that part of Desjardins personality I think Tortorella would have been very successful in Vancouver.

I am still not sold on AV until he wins a cup. That's why he was let in Van. I must say though that it's more pleasurable to watch this team than the 6 goalie system.

Don't think that is true. Had we won against Boston I still think AV would have been fired two years later.

Too much randomness goes into who wins a cup or not. Not blaming anything, but who knows what would have happened if Hamhuis and Kesler hadn't been injured during the series against Boston? Really hasn't anything to do with AVs abilities as a coach.

You would rather have had Randy Carlyle than AV? The same way Carlyle was lucky to win I think AV has been unlucky considering how good of a coach he is.

 

[The Mouth]

These last two seasons have been so much fun to watch. Whenever has a Ranger fan said that? I'm 50 and have never said that, until now. I know we havent won a cup, but they do our fandom justice by their on ice play, effort and results. Uncharted waters.