Drouin instead of Point is why the habs are where they are right now. Anyone could see drouin was being propped up by Stamkos
Point wasn't available or even in the conversation. Why even bring him up?
yeah we all know that scouts can predict which players are going to pan out AND AT WHAT position. With 100% certainty.
Say we adopt this plan and in 10 years we STILL don't have a center and there are no clear cut #1's that we can draft. then what ? pick BPA even if it doesnt address a need and NEVER try to address team weaknesses ? Precisely how do you think this works out ?
We are going to make out team worse, on purpose on the outside chance that we either draft a generational player, OR that we select players that address extant needs and not just make some of our current players at that position expendible in order to rearrange deck chairs. Because we know that if we have a good scoring winger that we can absolutely flip him for a 1C, every day of the week.
If we try to address the team's deficiencies we make progress and re-evaluate as we go along. We control the process. If the hope is that some kid in pee wee right now is gonna tear up the league as a rookie in a decade we have to tank, and hope to tank better than anyone else so that we get that kid based on balls being pulled out of a hat.
Working hard is 100% better than allowing and even supporting a culture that losing is not only okay but needed.
You play five years telling kids that its their job to lose, that doesnt evaporate over night and what you do is develop a team fill of players okay with losing ( see buffalo).
Agreed...that is the conundrum that's facing Bergevin.
But that's the position he's put himself into, he's going to bite the bullet in acquiring a center eventually...either in free agency $$$ or assets (trade picks & prospects & players).
But at the very least, he's at least better positioned this year with a top 5 pick and 4 2nd round picks. Now you've got some currency.
I don't think the task is impossible, but it requires foresight and creativity...2 things i've never associated with Bergevin.
Agreed - the Habs have some draft capital this year.If Tavares does make it to free agency, he has to open the vault for him, of course. Absent that opportunity, however, if what we need to do is accumulate young elite talent I think we should focus on that. To Belial's credit, he does raise a good point: you can't just scorch the earth and expect to draft yourself back to success. So I would propose to get rid of only some of the older assets that we have, and move them exclusively for picks and prospects. That does two things: it raises the expected value of our own picks (we'll be bad), and it gives us more picks. More and better picks is just more chances to acquire elite young talent.
Beyond that, I would actually look to do something innovative with all our picks. I would look to do two things: trade back, and trade ''forward'' in time. The Islanders, Rangers, and Chicago all have multiple firsts and thus make potential ''move back'' targets. This gives us more opportunities to draft, while still giving us a top 10 pick (I think the value in this draft really levels out around here, so trading up would be a mistake that we should exploit). The real juice comes from the second idea. We give a ''contender'' one of our early 2nd round picks this year for their first next year. Let's say we get a taker, and they weren't quite as good as they thought they would be, and we end up with the 20th overall pick. We could then do another trade back. And around and around it goes. All of a sudden, we drafted 4 times in the first, and 5 times in the 2nd in 2 years, instead of twice in the first and 5 times in the second.
Bergevin is full of s***. That whole "attitude" crap is just that: crap. Just like "ka-RACK-ter" was. Just like "Pas d'excuses!" was. They're just deflections. If he can actually get his hands on a top 6 center like ROR he will take him no matter what his attitude issues might be. If anyone asks he'll just give them the same line he gave about Alzner: "I spoke with him and we both agree that he has to be better"I like ROR, but isn't the attitude that he showed by his locker at the end of the season the same attitude that Bergevin is trying to rid from his locker room?
HF should ban Galchenyuk and Center in the same sentence. If it didn't happen this year, it will never happen so we need to move on. I'm hoping he won't be traded but the RDS experts all agreed that he should be part of a package for ROR and, well, Bergevin gets much of his pro scouting advice from RDS.
I like ROR, but isn't the attitude that he showed by his locker at the end of the season the same attitude that Bergevin is trying to rid from his locker room?
if we can trade Pacioretty and receive a 1st high enough to take Veleno, we could be deep at the C position in a couple of years with Poehling, Veleno, Evans, Danault, and DLR. None of those guys are #1s, but you could definitely roll 4 lines that you could win with.
Drouin instead of Point is why the habs are where they are right now. Anyone could see drouin was being propped up by Stamkos
if we can trade Pacioretty and receive a 1st high enough to take Veleno, we could be deep at the C position in a couple of years with Poehling, Veleno, Evans, Danault, and DLR. None of those guys are #1s, but you could definitely roll 4 lines that you could win with.
Houle was no big loss and JC Tremblay was past his prime. Tardif, however, was a guy the Habs could have used. I would have loved to see him playing alongside Lafleur in his prime. And let's also not forget that one of the years that the Flyers won was the year that Dryden decided to go to law school rather than accept the Habs' "take it or leave it" contract offer.You are asking fans of the Montreal Canadiens, the team that believes in forum ghosts, to move on.
I got a feeling if you surveyed Habs fans my age you would still find some who believe that Bunny Laroque and Mario Tremblay were held back and that Houle, Tardiff, and JC Tremblay in the WHA was the real reason Philly won back to back.
This fanbase doesn't let anything go. They just forget things.