Prospect Info: 8th IceHogs, Fuel, NCAA/Jr./Int'l Prospects thread - Offseason in Rockford

[Hawkaholic]

Ivan Nalimov - they probably don't want to sign him.

Yeah, probably why they went after Lars Johansson

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah a guy in late 20's with questionable future is so much more important then a young goalie years from NHL

So your saying Stanley threw away a draft pick on a player he never planned to actually be part of organization?

Organization needs a G for longterm to replace Crawford not a G for short term to replace Darling

 

[Sarava]

Yeah a guy in late 20's with questionable future is so much more important then a young goalie years from NHL

So your saying Stanley threw away a draft pick on a player he never planned to actually be part of organization?

Organization needs a G for longterm to replace Crawford not a G for short term to replace Darling

I don't think we need to get in to ripping Stan for 6th round picks not working out.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

He hasn't begun to start!

 

[hawksfan50]

Do not International (non-NA) drafted juniors get 4 years under the new CBA to retain rights if they stayed playing outside NA ? SO I do not think Nalimov goes back into the draft this summer...he stayed in Russia...Hawks have 2 more years to sign him depending on his development.AmI not correct on this rule from the current CBA?

 

[Fortyfives]

I wonder what percentage of 6th round picks play one game or more in the NHL.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

Good god...

 

[Teemu]

Do not International (non-NA) drafted juniors get 4 years under the new CBA to retain rights if they stayed playing outside NA ? SO I do not think Nalimov goes back into the draft this summer...he stayed in Russia...Hawks have 2 more years to sign him depending on his development.AmI not correct on this rule from the current CBA?

No, it changed for the last CBA.

 

[Bubba88]

I would want Namilov signed. Think he'll end up as a good goalie

 

[Hawkaholic]

Yeah a guy in late 20's with questionable future is so much more important then a young goalie years from NHL

So your saying Stanley threw away a draft pick on a player he never planned to actually be part of organization?

Organization needs a G for longterm to replace Crawford not a G for short term to replace Darling

Does it really matter how old the goalie is? It's not like he's retiring in the next year or two, and we have Crawford for quite a bit longer.

And no, not signing a 6th round pick is not throwing a pick away. It's a hail mary pick as it is, and it's not working out. But I am sure if they signed him you would say "what a waste of a roster spot"

 

[Caser]

No, it changed for the last CBA.

It changed, but I'm not sure if that applies to the leagues without the transfer agreement (KHL), it would be kind of logical if those cases were treated differently. For example, Sharks drafted overager Emil Galimov in 2013 (under new CBA) and he is still on Sharks' prospect list, while by the CBA his rights should've expired already last summer. Nalimov is the same case, so I don't know if his rights are gone or not, I guess we will have to wait couple of years to find out how the new CBA behaves in those kind of situations.

 

[Blue Liner]

I wonder what percentage of 6th round picks play one game or more in the NHL.

I don't know about 1 game but to play 100 NHL games is about 10%. It would stand to reason one NHL game would be considerably higher than that but still, small percentage in the grand scheme of things. Essentially, three to four players taken in the 6th round per draft will play 100 NHL games; not very many at all.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

I don't know about 1 game but to play 100 NHL games is about 10%. It would stand to reason one NHL game would be considerably higher than that but still, small percentage in the grand scheme of things. Essentially, three to four players taken in the 6th round per draft will play 100 NHL games; not very many at all.

Do you have any stats to back up that 10% number ?

I would bet that is off. It has to be lower than 10%

 

[BK]

Do you have any stats to back up that 10% number ?

I would bet that is off. It has to be lower than 10%

I have posted the percentages and so has JD so if you for the information it is there.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Where is the info posted ?
Thanks

 

[Caser]

About Nalimov situation: NHL rights for unsigned players drafted out of leagues without the transfer agreement (KHL) can be held indefinitely, in that case team should just exercise the option to deem the player as "defected player" (see case of Merzlikins and CBJ).

 

[Blue Liner]

10% is pretty low if you ask me. 30 players get drafted and only three play 100 NHL games out of those 30. Not very many.

I got that number from an article that did a study on it. Sounded about right to me.

 

[Taze em]

10% is pretty low if you ask me. 30 players get drafted and only three play 100 NHL games out of those 30. Not very many.

I got that number from an article that did a study on it. Sounded about right to me.

I sometimes find it funny to see the thresholds people use to call a player a successful draft pick. 1 game is BS but I think even 100 games is not that impressive. So much of the league is replacement level that I only really care about finding IMPACT players (aka top 6F in terms of TOI, top 4D in terms of TOI, top G). I'd be interested to see how many of those players come from each round much more than simple GP.

Some guy named Josh Manson has 99 NHL GP and was drafted in 2011. Never heard of him, who cares.

 

[SnakePlissken]

Some guy named Josh Manson has 99 NHL GP and was drafted in 2011. Never heard of him, who cares.

Surprising. That's Dave Manson's kid. He's pretty decent, and an excellent example of a solid 6th round pick.

 

[TLEH]

Surprising. That's Dave Manson's kid. He's pretty decent, and an excellent example of a solid 6th round pick.

thought that was interesting too, he's fairly well known I would think. 100 GP is not a lot, though.

 

[Blue Liner]

I sometimes find it funny to see the thresholds people use to call a player a successful draft pick. 1 game is BS but I think even 100 games is not that impressive. So much of the league is replacement level that I only really care about finding IMPACT players (aka top 6F in terms of TOI, top 4D in terms of TOI, top G). I'd be interested to see how many of those players come from each round much more than simple GP.

Some guy named Josh Manson has 99 NHL GP and was drafted in 2011. Never heard of him, who cares.

I wasn't insinuating 100 games meant it was a successful pick. It was the arbitrary number used in that study is all.

Agree with your point, but Manson's not the best example to use.

 

[clydesdale line]

Surprising. That's Dave Manson's kid. He's pretty decent, and an excellent example of a solid 6th round pick.

I doubt he was around when Dave was playing.

 

[SnakePlissken]

I doubt he was around when Dave was playing.

Well, I do wish I was younger but then I would have missed this. One of the most entertaining games I ever attended.

 

[Blue Liner]

Well, I do wish I was younger but then I would have missed this. One of the most entertaining games I ever attended.

I always forget Stevens was a Blue at one time.

Hearing Tallon doing color immediately takes me back to being a kid.

 

[NHL RankKing]

I didn't see this posted anywhere else.

Bowman stated that the Hawks did not lose the rights to Nalimov on June 1 so he's still in the system (which is good!)