Antiramie
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Show me an NHL coach who's been fired in this situation.
You won't find one.
You can scream that mantra all you want. It doesn’t mean it’s the right decision.
Show me an NHL coach who's been fired in this situation.
You won't find one.
I wonder what Coop will do with the lines. I really don’t know what he SHOULD do. I like the idea of splitting up Stammer and Kuch. But there is something to be said to dancing with what brung ya in a game 7.
Next year, cup or no cup, I hope they get split.
You can scream that mantra all you want. It doesn’t mean it’s the right decision.
The one who had the most recent good game, I'm guessing.
If we didn’t see it tonight when Coop was trying stuff I don’t think we’ll see it. Plus who centers Stammer or Point?Our guys just didn't show up for 60.
Cooper slapped me upside the head tombstone style.
It's on now...Game freaking 7. Urgency. We always seem to take our foot off the gas once we get a lead in anything...standing, series, games...I want a killer instinct. Urgency.
So you basically just admitted that Kucherov’s past success has made him forever infallible. He has been the embodiment of not shooting and hustling yet you refuse to put him in the same group as all the other players you called out. Despite what you may think, winners don’t rest on their laurels.
The one who is a bigger determining factor in our success and who gives his all every game, chief.
It definitely means it's the only realistic decision though.
...It's been eleven games since he was our best player in a series.
And he's right: There's no great player in the modern era who hasn't had a bad series or two. Kucherov is TWENTY-FOUR. He's been 3rd in NHL scoring two years in a row. He's the rare player who's a ppg in the playoffs over a solid sample size. These guys don't grow on trees. But they do have bad games, and slumps, and prolonged slumps.
Our last two trips to the ECF and beyond and this guy was in the conversation for the Conn Smyth both times, probably a frontrunner once. Now he's had two bad series and he's not a top player in the league? I'm not sure what you think top players look like.
... Except Vasy didn't really turn it on until the Boston series. He had an almost identical regular season to Kucherov, where he played very well in the first half, and then coasted down the stretch. But because he's good lately, he's a bigger part of our success?
I don't even think you're following your own logic here.
So you basically just admitted that Kucherov’s past success has made him forever infallible. He has been the embodiment of not shooting and hustling yet you refuse to put him in the same group as all the other players you called out. Despite what you may think, winners don’t rest on their laurels.
You must be fun at parties.
There’s a huge difference between “not producing” and not putting in the effort.
How many top 10 guys do you see just lollygagging through Game 6s?
Vasy was **** most of those games because his D looked like total garbage. Maybe we should leverage our blue line too so we can pay Kuch whatever ungodly number you think he’s worth.
Because the Pens couldn't get by the Caps, should they unload Crosby, Malkin and Kessel? Letang was a tire fire, should he be traded? Pavelski, Thornton, Burns and Couture can't get it done - at all, should they move on from them? Should Winnipeg trade Laine and Ehlers because of their inability to get it done? Toews and Kane weren't even in the playoffs. Kane barely did a damn thing in 2015 against us until one goal in game 6. He wasn't leading the charge nor was he the reincarnation of Gretzky. Doughty and Kopitar were swept. Bergeron, Pastrnak and Marchand had their lunch handed to them by a sophomore center. The Predators Forsberg walked the Avalanche d core to the ledge and pushed them off. Where is his team now? Subban who? McDavid is where?
Your expectation of the best players performing every round is unrealistic. Even if they do perform, it does not guarantee success. We don't have the success we've had (which in the end isn't the main goal) the last 4 years without Nikita Kucherov. We would be relying on an FA or via trade RW to fill that slot. Or Killorn, or Callahan at RW. Your tone is entitled and you don't know how lucky we really have it with him. He's like every other player, human, and incapable of carrying his team every round like any other hockey player to ever play the game. He's not infallible. I never said that. Nice strawman though. Be realistic and honest when assessing what is at hand at least. Take a look back at our latest runs and ask yourself who carried us in those rounds. It's rare you find consecutive series where we point to the same guy.
Kucherov is petty and lazy when things don't go his way. He's gotten too used to Stamkos and nerfs his own fame by not playing his own game. They do too much and when they're given a chance, they botch it - at least this round for 86. He's been bad, said it earlier and so did many others you're responding to but you're so hell bent on trying to convince the rest of this board that aren't blind that he's awful. Point is, you're wrong. Very wrong.
Show me one modern player that has performed and been "the guy" every round. Show me one. I'll save you time - it doesn't happen. I'll also add this, when our 4th line won us the game and stepped up, do we blame Kucherov for not scoring to make it a blowout or do we blame players only when we lose? Point beinf, this entire team as a whole minus 5 periods (bar Vasy) has played like dog **** on a summers day in Tampa. There's not one forward who has been a game changer every game or even been impactdul every game, forward or defenseman. We are being outplayed. Simple as that. It's frustrating and of course you want the top dogs to step up and earn it, or at least put an effort, but calm down on wanting him gone. That's some crazy talk.
I don't go all Emotional Rage on a night where things don't go my way and lose all sense of logic, believing that completely crazy things might happen because DAMMIT I'M MAD! Which I think is pretty much what you're doing here.
It happens. And it's almost impossible to really judge a player's effort level from our sofas. It's also impossible to know if he's at 100% right now. If he were still showing bursts of speed and agility, I'd chalk it up to too much finesse, but we're not seeing any of those bursts, so you have to wonder. The Bruins series was chippy.
OR he might just be having a really bad series. Either way, he's a top ten player in the league. Really great players go into huge slumps sometimes. But eleven bad games doesn't negate that he's arguably the second best playoff performer in franchise history, already, at age 24.
Vasy was not good in a lot of those games. He's still young, and still improving. But he played his way out of what looked like a sure Vezina. Sure, our D got bad, but everybody on the team aside from Brayden Point and Yanni Gourde mailed the season in, January-April, Vasy included. He was good for a softie per night up until about midway through the Bruin series.
But Vasy has probably been our best player in these playoffs, as of now, so that's all you're going to be able to see when it comes to him vs. Kucherov. In reality, we need both of them.
There’s a huge difference between “not producing” and not putting in the effort.
How many top 10 guys do you see just lollygagging through Game 6s?
You’re comparing Kuch to a bunch of stars who are multiple cup winners. Yea that’s where I stopped reading.
You’re comparing Kuch to a bunch of stars who are multiple cup winners. Yea that’s where I stopped reading.
Show me an NHL coach who's been fired in this situation.
You won't find one.
I’ve wanted Cooper gone for years now. FYI.
Kucherov is one of the best snipers in the NHL and, of course, is one of the most telented players we have in our roster.Because the Pens couldn't get by the Caps, should they unload Crosby, Malkin and Kessel? Letang was a tire fire, should he be traded? Pavelski, Thornton, Burns and Couture can't get it done - at all, should they move on from them? Should Winnipeg trade Laine and Ehlers because of their inability to get it done? Toews and Kane weren't even in the playoffs. Kane barely did a damn thing in 2015 against us until one goal in game 6. He wasn't leading the charge nor was he the reincarnation of Gretzky. Doughty and Kopitar were swept. Bergeron, Pastrnak and Marchand had their lunch handed to them by a sophomore center. The Predators Forsberg walked the Avalanche d core to the ledge and pushed them off. Where is his team now? Subban who? McDavid is where?
Your expectation of the best players performing every round is unrealistic. Even if they do perform, it does not guarantee success. We don't have the success we've had (which in the end isn't the main goal) the last 4 years without Nikita Kucherov. We would be relying on an FA or via trade RW to fill that slot. Or Killorn, or Callahan at RW. Your tone is entitled and you don't know how lucky we really have it with him. He's like every other player, human, and incapable of carrying his team every round like any other hockey player to ever play the game. He's not infallible. I never said that. Nice strawman though. Be realistic and honest when assessing what is at hand at least. Take a look back at our latest runs and ask yourself who carried us in those rounds. It's rare you find consecutive series where we point to the same guy.
Kucherov is petty and lazy when things don't go his way. He's gotten too used to Stamkos and nerfs his own fame by not playing his own game. They do too much and when they're given a chance, they botch it - at least this round for 86. He's been bad, said it earlier and so did many others you're responding to but you're so hell bent on trying to convince the rest of this board that aren't blind that he's awful. Point is, you're wrong. Very wrong.
Show me one modern player that has performed and been "the guy" every round. Show me one. I'll save you time - it doesn't happen. I'll also add this, when our 4th line won us the game and stepped up, do we blame Kucherov for not scoring to make it a blowout or do we blame players only when we lose? Point beinf, this entire team as a whole minus 5 periods (bar Vasy) has played like dog **** on a summers day in Tampa. There's not one forward who has been a game changer every game or even been impactdul every game, forward or defenseman. We are being outplayed. Simple as that. It's frustrating and of course you want the top dogs to step up and earn it, or at least put an effort, but calm down on wanting him gone. That's some crazy talk.
Although firing him right now is stupid, I still absoultely don't believe Cooper is getting the best out of the roster we have. Has he been better this year then before? Yes but this team still leaves a lot to be desired. Gallant the coach some of us wanted last year has a track record of getting the most out of his roster. Vegas has yet to blow an elimation game, they've closed all 3 teams out the first chance they get, where as you're always weary about the what kind of effort level you'll get from Tampa in the same scenerio.
I'm pretty sure we all had that feeling there was a strong likeihood this team was going to come out flat in an important game like this., that's just the track record Cooper's Lightning have.
The only reason we aren't already golfing is because of Vasy. I think we will be by Thursday. Just a hunch. This team, repeatedly, is getting dominated and tonight was really embarassing as a fan seeing our 4th line, Coburn and some of our gnats get tossed across the ice. They're bigger, just as fast and make smart plays. We dump it in and if we manage to retrieve the puck by the grace of God, and up giving it right to them. We get the puck in our zone and flick it our or again - give it right to them. Our entire game plan tonight looked like a mix between Lost and Survivor. Neutral zone was completely garbage as it has been for 5 of these games. They zip ONE pass and beat 2-3 of our guys which they manage to make one more and create 2v3 and 1v2 situations in our zone. We lose our coverage and fail to do something about it, or hustle to knock them off the puck. It's the same thing from puck drop to the end of the 3rd. These guys, Cooper or whoever you want to point a finger at, give them too much respect while at the same time their high hockey IQ suddenly fades when they're on the defensive side of the game.
As for the posters blaming Kucherov. Blame Stamkos. Blame Palat whose sorry ass killed damn near everything tonight. Blame McDonagh for failing to clear a puck 345 times. Blame Gourde for losing board battles. Blame Killorn for having 3 solid shifts and disappearing. Blame Johnson for not creating offense. Blame Cirelli for missing his 1v1. Blame Stralman for that awful failed clearance on the first goal. Blame everyone bar Point and Vasy cause they all deserve it.
Kucherov is the best offensive talent we have on this team. He was an inch or two away from 20 posts saying "KUUUUUUUUCHHHH" or "He's been off but there he is!!" We don't run the Eastern Conference ablaze the last 4 years without him. We don't get by the Isles in 5 without him. We don't get by Detroit two years ago that easily without him. We don't come within 1 point from him dragging this team to a playoff spot last year. He had 10 points in 5 games. He scored a crucial goal against Boston late in the series. Not every player is Crosby who can be off and suddenly run up 7 points in 2 games and win a series being 50%. There's no player in the modern era that's been a dominant star EVERY round. Kucherov is a lazy player at times but the problem lies with the team not shooting, hustling, etc - not Kucherov who propelled this team to where it's at. Wanting to get rid of him because he's not performing in one round and a half is laughable. He's the highest producing player since 2015 that's still in the playoffs. That's not a coincidence. Plenty of hall of famers, legends and superstars today don't perform every round.
With that said, I do think Brayden Point is the most valuable skater on our team. Without him we would be at the country club.
Eleven games might even be a stretch. He's already had at least one game (3) this series where it wouldn't be crazy to suggest that he was the best player. So, in the one game this series where our backs were really against the wall, Kuch showed up. Scandalous!...It's been eleven games since he was our best player in a series.
And he's right: There's no great player in the modern era who hasn't had a bad series or two. Kucherov is TWENTY-FOUR. He's been 3rd in NHL scoring two years in a row. He's the rare player who's a ppg in the playoffs over a solid sample size. These guys don't grow on trees. But they do have bad games, and slumps, and prolonged slumps.
Our last two trips to the ECF and beyond and this guy was in the conversation for the Conn Smyth both times, probably a frontrunner once. Now he's had two bad series and he's not a top player in the league? I'm not sure what you think top players look like.