4/18 wasn't the 2nd greatest day in Canes history, now this is a draft talk thread

[DaveG]

The purpose of hf is to serve mankind. You seem to regard hf as some kind of dodge... or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor hfposter...Dr. Goalbert.

dodge.... or doge?

 

[Joe McGrath]

My point is that you shouldn't be that bad defensively when the rest of your team isn't.

Ah the old using +/- as the be all end all of defensive play. Nevermind.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

There's no debate, besides Button, that Hanifin is the better positional defenseman. We need that because we already have Murphy, Fleury, and 49 p Faulk racking up points. The only noticeable difference between Provorov and Hanifin is physicality. So who would you rather have, Phaneuf or Staal?

 

[Joe McGrath]

There's no debate, besides Button, that Hanifin is the better positional defenseman. We need that because we already have Murphy, Fleury, and 49 p Faulk racking up points. The only noticeable difference between Provorov and Hanifin is physicality. So who would you rather have, Phaneuf or Staal?

Fluery isn't in the same stratosphere offensively as Provorov so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Hanifan's biggest knock as far as I can tell is his lack of physicality for his size.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Are we really using +/- during a playoffs to assess defensive prowess?

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

His team was swept but even when Brandon won each series prior to that 4-1 he still managed to be a negative player. Yes, that should raise some red flags.

Fluery isn't in the same stratosphere offensively as Provorov so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Hanifan's biggest knock as far as I can tell is his lack of physicality for his size.

Sorry if I was unclear, but I was trying to point out that Provorov has Hanifin beat in that department. But if he takes himself out of position by doing that in juniors and can't make that transition to the NHL due to his size, is he just another Murphy capable of putting up points and playing bad defense?

 

[Joe McGrath]

Hanifan was a -2 on a very good USNTDP team last year where Eichel was a +20. Shouldn't that raise red flags?

 

[Anton Babchuk]

His team was swept but even when Brandon won each series prior to that 4-1 he still managed to be a negative player. Yes, that should raise some red flags.

did u know that eric staal is a -3 in the playoffs despite the fact that his team won 6 series and lost 1

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

His team was swept but even when Brandon won each series prior to that 4-1 he still managed to be a negative player. Yes, that should raise some red flags.

Be honest, did you watch him play at all during the playoffs or are you forming your opinion solely on +/- stats? For the record, I prefer hanifin, I just think your reasoning is flawed if +/- is what it is based on.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

I watched Hanifin against Denver in the playoffs and even though they lost and he was -3, I came out quite impressed, something I can't say about Provorov after his lackluster performance in the playoffs.

Admittedly, I've never watched Provorov, and was ecstatic about him as a prospect by reading scouting reports but by reading boxscores every night leading up to the playoffs and during the playoffs, it brought down my opinion of him.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I watched Hanifin against Denver in the playoffs and even though they lost and he was -3, I came out quite impressed, something I can't say about Provorov after his lackluster performance in the playoffs.

So you didn't watch provorov is what you are saying?

Edit: I see your edit now, don't you think looking at boxscore +/- is a very incomplete way to assess a guy? Especially when you say that even though the boxscore wasn't good for hanifin, you were impressed with what u saw?

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

So you didn't watch provorov is what you are saying?

Edit: It's possible. I'm just WAY more sold on Hanifin than Provorov or Werenski (a name here that doesn't get mentioned enough as it should with Provorov in the discussion).

 

[Anton Babchuk]

I watched Hanifin against Denver in the playoffs and even though they lost and he was -3, I came out quite impressed, something I can't say about Provorov after his lackluster performance in the playoffs.

Admittedly, I've never watched Provorov, and was ecstatic about him as a prospect by reading scouting reports but by reading boxscores every night leading up to the playoffs and during the playoffs, it brought down my opinion of him.

you have to be trolling

plz tell me you are trolling

first you say that hanifin's +/- wasn't indicative of his play because you watched the game, then judge provorov based entirely on +/- while not watching him play?

 

[Sens1Canes2]

This is why I find it hard to take anything seriously in the drafting threads.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

i watched like 30 seconds of marner's highlight reel before i lost interest

i also watched one goal highlight each of provorov and hanifin

never even watched highlights of crouse or strome

again i'm right in my analysis

 

[the halleJOKEL]

i dont really care who we draft i just want it to be over because i know whoever we pick will be the wrong choice in the end

 

[dogbazinho]

i dont really care who we draft i just want it to be over because i know whoever we pick will be the wrong choice in the end

This is where I'm at. I'd feel most comfortable with Hanifin which means he'll go 4th. Any other we are ****ing up.

 

[bleedgreen]

I'm Ok with literally any of the 3-8 top candidates.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I'm Ok with literally any of the 3-8 top candidates.

Surprise twist: Both McDavid and Eichel announce that they won't sign anywhere but Carolina.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

I'm Ok with literally any of the 3-8 top candidates.

I'm assuming you mean Hanifin, Strome, Marner, Crouse, Rantanen, and Provorov because they receive the most mention here but there's no reason to exclude Werenski and Barzal because they round out the clear cut top 10 in this draft.

But we shouldn't be too concerned about them, considering we hold a top 5 pick.

 

[bleedgreen]

I've said in previous posts I wouldn't mind Barzal or Werenski at 5, but otherwise yeah I meant the ones you've mentioned.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

dodge.... or doge?

that's the most adorable dog i've ever seen.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

that's the most adorable dog i've ever seen.

You need to Internet more then.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

You need to Internet more then.

i can't

 

[Blueline Bomber]

That cat looks so tired of the photographer's ****.