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What do you think of Surin?Chernyshov definitely. He might actually go top 15. It'll depend on the Russian factor, per usual.
What do you think of Surin?Chernyshov definitely. He might actually go top 15. It'll depend on the Russian factor, per usual.
Do we:
- draft and develop Catton/Iginla/Helenius/Eiserman, or
- trade that pick in a package for Dvorsky?
What do you think of Surin?
I've been to a lot of Sudbury Wolves games this year, and will be attending the playoff games next week. I love Dvorsky. He's such a treat to watch. Very efficient and smart player. I'd be surprised if St. Louis would be willing to part with him for a 5-10 pick. I feel like there's a full extra year of 'certainty' with Dvorsky that you just don't have with a player in that 5-10 range, so why take the risk?
If we ended up with Demidov, drafting another skilled Russian with the Jets pick wouldnt shock me. Will Habs go there? I dont know, but it would be crazy for the fans... That draft would get A+ grades just for the 1st round..I think Chernyshov has the overall better skills, but a lesser work ethic. Surin is crazy physical, who never stops on the ice. He's having a terrific season and is definitely not unskilled. With Chernyshov there is a danger he turns into a Gurianov type player. Skills are there, the willingness is not always there, but the package is enticing.
With Surin even if he doesn't develop into a top 6 forward, he's going to be really unpleasant to play against. He's like a Russian version of Tom Wilson. I would be fine drafting him with Winnipeg's pick. He's solidly ranked early 2nd now, so if we want him, we'll have to take him early.
People who want physical, power forwards, well, Surin is definitely that.
I think Montreal takes more Russians this year. With all the picks they have they need to have some prospects that they can stash, and not be forced to sign everyone in 2 years.
The Russian advantage is their rights don't expire til age 27.
Another player I see moving up is RD Dominik Badinka. He was at one point someone I liked for the Colorado Avalanche pick. Lol He's late 1st now.
There isn't much in Q, but Spencer Gill (RD), Rimouski, I think should be a target for that Colorado pick. Spokane's Will McIsaac (RD) should also be strongly considered with that pick or one of our 3rds.
I would not be surprised if all 3 get taken well before their rankings though.
If we ended up with Demidov, drafting another skilled Russian with the Jets pick wouldnt shock me. Will Habs go there? I dont know, but it would be crazy for the fans... That draft would get A+ grades just for the 1st round..
I've resigned myself to the idea that this pick is getting tradedYeah, IF we draft Demidov. Lol 2 Russians in 1st would be insane. I really don't expect it. There's a few players I like at that Winnipeg spot, though.
The idea would be to ease Demidov's transition and integration in the org., would be easier for him to come over with a countrymate since he likely doesnt speak english much like most young Russians.Yeah, IF we draft Demidov. Lol 2 Russians in 1st would be insane. I really don't expect it. There's a few players I like at that Winnipeg spot, though.
I actually posted earlier in this thread that I think he's a player who might be a "market ineffeciency" type draft case. He was pushed down the line-up early in the season because the Wolves had a strong top-6 made up of good 19/20 year olds and top-tier drafted NHL talent. As the season went on though I noticed he was getting more time with top-6 players and was producing great secondary scoring before the suspension. I don't think he is leaching off Goyette/Musty/Dvorsky either. Checking the scoresheets from the last 10 games he played he had a few points off plays with Goyette and Musty, but most were from players on the Wolves 2nd and 3rd lines. He has a pretty good shot and is a really sturdy player, good frame and good skating. He looks strong out there and I think that bodes well for a strong athlete as he gets into his 20s.What do you think of Nathan Villeneuve? Is he just leaching off the high scoring talent: Goyette, Musty, Dvorak, or is he legit?
He's having a much better season than Pharand (4th 2023, Chicago). He's ranked late 2nd/early 3rd, but some lists have him early 2nd. We need more quality center depth in prospect system for sure
It could happen. I’d venture to say that this type of thinking influenced the Mesar pick. The two players can help each other.The idea would be to ease Demidov's transition and integration in the org., would be easier for him to come over with a countrymate since he likely doesnt speak english much like most young Russians.
You have all wrong on Artamonov.Chernyshov. Don't think Artamonov is a first rounder. His compete is lower and I prefer Chernyshov's passing and shooting game. Artamonov's IQ is not very impressive from what I've seen, Chernyshov is at least average.
If both are gone, probably means an excellent D is available...If Lindstrom and Demidov are gone then I agree with goldenhands they’ll pick one of helenius or iginla. It’s the archetype they like. Complete players with high compete levels.
They shouldn’t. They’re not in a position to do it, the forwards prospect pool is empty.The Habs will trade that Winnipeg pick.
They are definitely in a position to do it. Think of the amount of one goal games that could have gone their way if Dach was healthy and if they had another good offensive player. They should be looking to try to make the playoffs next season.They shouldn’t. They’re not in a position to do it, the forwards prospect pool is empty.
They shouldn’t. They’re not in a position to do it, the forwards prospect pool is empty.
If both are gone, probably means an excellent D is available...
I see Iginla as a Ryan Leonard-like player, and they chose the big RD instead of him last year...
We'll see.
I know he's a LD, but to me Dickinson is probably the player I like the most in the draft after Celebrini. Reminds me of a more mobile, left handed Weber.
I maintain we need to finish no lower than 5th as i'd put money Demidov and Lindstrom are gone by 6th.
If not, i'd gauge interest for a trade. (Necas?) And if the right player isn't available just go Catton.
Depending on the GM, some fans may well be more intuitive than GMs.Fans draft forwards.
GMs draft defenseman.
As I have posted, this is a very underrated draft and there will be number of highly skilled forwards who will be available at the bottom of the first round who, if drafted by Montreal, would immediately become one of our most promising forward prospects.They shouldn’t. They’re not in a position to do it, the forwards prospect pool is empty.
The two teams that worry me a bit or Anaheim and Columbus.Fans draft forwards.
GMs draft defenseman.
I've resigned myself to the idea that this pick is getting traded
I'm guessing most teams in the top 7 will draft BPA. However sometimes need and current prospect pool plays a part. Can anyone break down the specific needs (Center / Dman / Wing) of these teams:
San Jose
Chicago
Anaheim
Columbus
Arizona
Montreal
Ottawa