NHL Entry Draft 2024 NHL Draft Talk

[GCK]

I think rule of thumb is don’t pass on the superstar. No matter what.

Is Celebrini a superstar or is he more a second tier 1LC like Point.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Is Celebrini a superstar or is he more a second tier 1LC like Point.

Ok I wouldn’t pass on point to dump korpisalo.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What’s the lowest the Boston pick could be.?

My wish list in our range at the moment is
Buium, iginla, levshunov/silayev (if they drop but McKenzie list saying they’ll be gone

 

[BondraTime]

What’s the lowest the Boston pick could be.?

My wish list in our range at the moment is
Buium, iginla, levshunov/silayev (if they drop but McKenzie list saying they’ll be gone

Are you talking about the range for the Bruins pick?

0 chance for any of those guys with Boston's pick. None will be available in the teens, let alone mid-ish 20's.

Right now if they don't make the ECF they sit at 25th. Lowest it could go is 21st, if all the teams making the conference finals are below the Bruins in the standings. Lowest it could possibly be is 19th if they are passed by Vancouver, Florida and Winnipeg and none of Van, WPG, Fla, Dal, Car, NY makes the ECF.

We're looking in the range of Boisvert, Ritchie, Elick, Sennecke (though I think he goes higher), Howe, Beaudoin, Gridin etc. more so than the top guys.

I may have misunderstood what you were saying

 

[Micklebot]

So you wouldn’t send Celebrini and Korpisal to SJ for 3OA and Smith/Eklund or to Anaheim for 4OA and Mintyukov or to Chicago for 3OA and Korchinski.

Ok, so if you replace Korpisalo with the cost to buy him out, does that change the perception?

Celebrini and a 1.3 mil x 8yrs cap dump, for 3OA, and Eklund

Seems to me like an easy choice to keep Celebrini for me, but you never know, that 3rd OA could turn into something special, or it could be the next Drouin.

 

[Tuna99]

That #7 pick will have a lot on interest if the Sens want to move it - Calgary will want to draft Tij Iginla for their program, also #7 is the perfect t spot where teams will have prospects rated in the top 3-4 that are still there at #7 and they’ll want to move up. and conversely Ottawa might really like a prospect rated 15-18 that they might not want to draft at #7 (like a Ty Boucher situation) so they are happy to fall back and pick up a few assets along the way.

The thing with thr #7 pick is that player is probably still 2 years away from being a rookie, and so is probably the prospect rated 15-18, so the relative value of drafting at #7 might not be there for Ottawa and with the losing #1 draft pick from Pierre Dorion’s time following the 183 page rebuild plan to perfection (see page 92 section 3.1: “My plan to lose a 1st round pick through free agency”) ottawa might want to add more draft capital to offset that incredibly stupid lose

 

[BondraTime]

That #7 pick will have a lot on interest if the Sens want to move it - Calgary will want to draft Tij Iginla for their program, also #7 is the perfect t spot where teams will have prospects rated in the top 3-4 that are still there at #7 and they’ll want to move up. and conversely Ottawa might really like a prospect rated 15-18 that they might not want to draft at #7 (like a Ty Boucher situation) so they are happy to fall back and pick up a few assets along the way.

The thing with thr #7 pick is that player is probably still 2 years away from being a rookie, and so is probably the prospect rated 15-18, so the relative value of drafting at #7 might not be there for Ottawa and with the losing #1 draft pick from Pierre Dorion’s time following the 183 page rebuild plan to perfection (see page 92 section 3.1: “How to lose a 1st round pick through free agency”) ottawa might want to add more draft capital to offset that lose

That's a strange way of looking at it.

They will run up to the podium and take their highest rated player. Almost zero chance Staios moves his first big building block, even more so with the coming loss of another 1st.

And I think the chance of them liking a guy ranked in the 15-18 range that they feel safe moving back for is also almost non-existent. There are about 8/9 guys whom any team could have from 4-15, no team will feel safe moving back to pick up a few secondary pieces and leave their chances to the wind. They will have their top rated guy, and they will take him, they aren't going to risk losing him.

 

[Micklebot]

That #7 pick will have a lot on interest if the Sens want to move it - Calgary will want to draft Tij Iginla for their program, also #7 is the perfect t spot where teams will have prospects rated in the top 3-4 that are still there at #7 and they’ll want to move up. and conversely Ottawa might really like a prospect rated 15-18 that they might not want to draft at #7 (like a Ty Boucher situation) so they are happy to fall back and pick up a few assets along the way.

The thing with thr #7 pick is that player is probably still 2 years away from being a rookie, and so is probably the prospect rated 15-18, so the repeat I’ve value of drafting #7 or #17 might not be there for Ottawa

I'm not sure why 7 OA being 2-3 years away is a problem, the team is probably only a serious contender in 2-3 years anyways, so having an impact ELC at that time would probably be beneficial,

I can't see this team moving 7OA, I guess maybe if we manage to get a high 1st rounder by trading Chychrun, then maybe... but still probably not.

We'll trade the Bos 1st rounder if the right deal is there. We might trade Chychrun or Chabot. We'll probably try to move one of our goalies to make a change. I could see us moving Joseph for an upgrade but really we're looking to add guys like him not subtract.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm not sure why 7 OA being 2-3 years away is a problem, the team is probably only a serious contender in 2-3 years anyways, so having an impact ELC at that time would probably be beneficial,

I can't see this team moving 7OA, I guess maybe if we manage to get a high 1st rounder by trading Chychrun, then maybe... but still probably not.

We'll trade the Bos 1st rounder if the right deal is there. We might trade Chychrun or Chabot. We'll probably try to move one of our goalies to make a change. I could see us moving Joseph for an upgrade but really we're looking to add guys like him not subtract.

The problem I see is the time is now for this team - they need to make major improvements and I don’t see that happening through natural growth a new HC. They won’t solve this with a $5 million free agency slot and a smart 4th line signing. They need improvements to their starting 6 at 2 positions Goalie and RD and those can’t be solved with assets like Joseph or Ostapchuk. Need to put some major value into this to get the right players at the weight positions to buttress the on ice play.

Another thing is we have to move on as a fanbase from thinking draft picks will save us. I know 3 years ago Pierre Dorion stood up and said Jake Sanderson was as good as Erik Karlsson - and I’m sitting here thinking “couldn’t you just of signed Demelo”. Happy to draft at #7 but to me the right move is move that asset for a major upgrade and start winning now not wait 3 years for a rookie who won’t actually live up to the hype (even Jake Sanderson isn’t Erik Karlsson at the same age)

 

[BondraTime]

The problem I see is the time is now for this team - they need to make major improvements and I don’t see that happening through natural growth a new HC. They won’t solve this with a $5 million free agency slot and a smart 4th line signing. They need improvements to their starting 6 at 2 positions Goalie and RD and those can’t be solved with assets like Joseph or Ostapchuk. Need to put some major value into this to get the right players at the weight positions to buttress the on ice play.

Another thing is we have to move on as a fanbase from thinking draft picks will save us. I know 3 years ago Pierre Dorion stood up and said Jake Sanderson was as good as Erik Karlsson - and I’m sitting here thinking “couldn’t you just of signed Demelo”. Happy to draft at #7 but to me the right move is move that asset for a major upgrade and start winning now not wait 3 years for a rookie who won’t actually live up to the hype (even Jake Sanderson isn’t Erik Karlsson at the same age)

Have you not been at the past 2 drafts?

DBC? Chychrun?

They need to make their picks at the top of the draft.

 

[GCK]

Ok, so if you replace Korpisalo with the cost to buy him out, does that change the perception?

Celebrini and a 1.3 mil x 8yrs cap dump, for 3OA, and Eklund

Seems to me like an easy choice to keep Celebrini for me, but you never know, that 3rd OA could turn into something special, or it could be the next Drouin.

Maybe I’m too high on the top end D in this draft but adding Levshunov/Buium/Parekh and Mintyukov/Korchenski/Smith while dumping Korpisalo sounds better than adding Celebrini to me.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Are you talking about the range for the Bruins pick?

0 chance for any of those guys with Boston's pick. None will be available in the teens, let alone mid-ish 20's.

Right now if they don't make the ECF they sit at 25th. Lowest it could go is 21st, if all the teams making the conference finals are below the Bruins in the standings. Lowest it could possibly be is 19th if they are passed by Vancouver, Florida and Winnipeg and none of Van, WPG, Fla, Dal, Car, NY makes the ECF.

We're looking in the range of Boisvert, Ritchie, Elick, Sennecke (though I think he goes higher), Howe, Beaudoin, Gridin etc. more so than the top guys.

I may have misunderstood what you were saying

No no range for our pick. 7-8 overall. I don’t know anything about any single player in the 19-25 range. Except a random article I read on letourneau

I’m

 

[BondraTime]

Maybe I’m too high on the top end D in this draft but adding Levshunov/Buium/Parekh and Mintyukov/Korchenski/Smith while dumping Korpisalo sounds better than adding Celebrini to me.

Just add Celebrini and buy out Korp

Also thinking quite high in the returns, don’t think any of which would be realistic, even without adding Korp. Those teams aren’t going to be giving those pieces up along with 3rd or 4th overall, especially taking a very negative asset.

To move from 4 to 2 in 2012, the Isles offered 4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185. That was thought to be absolutely insane and looking at it, it really isn’t that valuable.

A 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th added into their 4th overall.

That’s the type of things that would be added, extra picks. You’re not going to get cornerstone 19 and 20 year olds added to a 3rd or 4th overall. That’s not even taking into account Korp’s negative value.

Deals with SJ, Ana and Chi likely look more like:

SJ - 1st Overall + Korp
Ott - 2nd overall + 2ndish

Chi - 1st overall + Korp
Ott - 3rd overall + TB 1st

Ana - 1st overall + Korp
Ott - 4th overall + ~Edm 1st

What would it cost the Sens to move Korp now? A late 1st?

 

[bicboi64]

Only way I want to see the 7th overall moved is if management spreads rumours about picking Tij Igginla, CGY picks 8th overall, and is so scared of us picking Iggy's kid that they offer us the 8th overall, Vancouver or Florida's pick (which ever is better), and then toss us Cornato just for shits.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

What’s the lowest the Boston pick could be.?

My wish list in our range at the moment is
Buium, iginla, levshunov/silayev (if they drop but McKenzie list saying they’ll be gone

Are you talking about the range for the Bruins pick?



I may have misunderstood what you were saying

I thought the same as you and it was easy to assume that given the first sentence:"What’s the lowest the Boston pick could be?"

The problem I see is the time is now for this team - they need to make major improvements and I don’t see that happening through natural growth a new HC. They won’t solve this with a $5 million free agency slot and a smart 4th line signing. They need improvements to their starting 6 at 2 positions Goalie and RD and those can’t be solved with assets like Joseph or Ostapchuk. Need to put some major value into this to get the right players at the weight positions to buttress the on ice play.

Another thing is we have to move on as a fanbase from thinking draft picks will save us. I know 3 years ago Pierre Dorion stood up and said Jake Sanderson was as good as Erik Karlsson - and I’m sitting here thinking “couldn’t you just of signed Demelo”. Happy to draft at #7 but to me the right move is move that asset for a major upgrade and start winning now not wait 3 years for a rookie who won’t actually live up to the hype (even Jake Sanderson isn’t Erik Karlsson at the same age)

Yes, what your talking about is the same philosophy that Dorion had that failed miserably. Apparently, some have learned nothing.

Yes, we do probably need to spend more that $5 m to get the RD that we desperately need. And, sure a “smart 4th line signing” won’t move the needle much. But, fortunately, if you look at our cap situation (many spreadsheets available for viewing,) we have the budget for a top 4 RD, a middle six forward, and a Korpisalo buyout plus hang on to the 7th overall pick (or whatever it turns out to be).

 

[Micklebot]

The problem I see is the time is now for this team - they need to make major improvements and I don’t see that happening through natural growth a new HC. They won’t solve this with a $5 million free agency slot and a smart 4th line signing. They need improvements to their starting 6 at 2 positions Goalie and RD and those can’t be solved with assets like Joseph or Ostapchuk. Need to put some major value into this to get the right players at the weight positions to buttress the on ice play.

Another thing is we have to move on as a fanbase from thinking draft picks will save us. I know 3 years ago Pierre Dorion stood up and said Jake Sanderson was as good as Erik Karlsson - and I’m sitting here thinking “couldn’t you just of signed Demelo”. Happy to draft at #7 but to me the right move is move that asset for a major upgrade and start winning now not wait 3 years for a rookie who won’t actually live up to the hype (even Jake Sanderson isn’t Erik Karlsson at the same age)

The biggest things they can do to improve the team is solve the goaltending which isn't likely done via the 7oa imo.

Next biggest thing is balancing the D, it's not a lack of talent, it's getting guys that fill roles appropriately. Trading Chychrun for Marino for example would be a plausible way to address the back end if we strike out on landing a UFA like Pesce, DeMelo or Roy.

Next is probably coaching.

In theory, we could add another Chychrun or DeBrincat to the roster by trading 7 oa, but what is holding us back isn't individual talent, it's playing as a unit, and having the right guys for the right roles.

 

[GCK]

Just add Celebrini and buy out Korp

Also thinking quite high in the returns, don’t think any of which would be realistic, even without adding Korp. Those teams aren’t going to be giving those pieces up along with 3rd or 4th overall, especially taking a very negative asset.

To move from 4 to 2 in 2012, the Isles offered 4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185. That was thought to be absolutely insane and looking at it, it really isn’t that valuable.

A 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th added into their 4th overall.

That’s the type of things that would be added, extra picks. You’re not going to get cornerstone 19 and 20 year olds added to a 3rd or 4th overall. That’s not even taking into account Korp’s negative value.

Deals with SJ, Ana and Chi likely look more like:

SJ - 1st Overall + Korp
Ott - 2nd overall + 2ndish

Chi - 1st overall + Korp
Ott - 3rd overall + TB 1st

Ana - 1st overall + Korp
Ott - 4th overall + ~Edm 1st

What would it cost the Sens to move Korp now? A late 1st?

I would not even think about those returns. I’m more looking at what is the minimum it would take for you to pass on Celebrini. For me it’s a top 5 pick, a blue chip prospect and taking on Korpisalo. Obviously it’s just a thought experiment because we won’t win the lottery.

 

[GCK]

The biggest things they can do to improve the team is solve the goaltending which isn't likely done via the 7oa imo.

Next biggest thing is balancing the D, it's not a lack of talent, it's getting guys that fill roles appropriately. Trading Chychrun for Marino for example would be a plausible way to address the back end if we strike out on landing a UFA like Pesce, DeMelo or Roy.

Next is probably coaching.

In theory, we could add another Chychrun or DeBrincat to the roster by trading 7 oa, but what is holding us back isn't individual talent, it's playing as a unit, and having the right guys for the right roles.

Absolutely, RD in UFA, coaching staff, bottom 6 PK specialist and a change in our goaltending tandem are the minimum offseason requirements.

 

[bicboi64]

I would not even think about those returns. I’m more looking at what is the minimum it would take for you to pass on Celebrini. For me it’s a top 5 pick, a blue chip prospect and taking on Korpisalo. Obviously it’s just a thought experiment because we won’t win the lottery.

The minimum for me who be a top 5 pick in this draft, a blue-chip prospect that we'd need (Minty, Jiricek, etc.,), take on Korpi, but then send us a roster player for our bottom 6.

 

[JackieDaytona]

I hope they can grab one of elick or emery with the Boston pick, or with the 2nd. Large, physical, defensively sound RD is what we need. Unfortunately most teams also need similar so they may go higher than what they’re ranked currently.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The biggest things they can do to improve the team is solve the goaltending which isn't likely done via the 7oa imo.

Next biggest thing is balancing the D, it's not a lack of talent, it's getting guys that fill roles appropriately. Trading Chychrun for Marino for example would be a plausible way to address the back end if we strike out on landing a UFA like Pesce, DeMelo or Roy.

Next is probably coaching.

In theory, we could add another Chychrun or DeBrincat to the roster by trading 7 oa, but what is holding us back isn't individual talent, it's playing as a unit, and having the right guys for the right roles.

I wouldn’t trade chychrun for an RD. There are many solid ones in FA. Trade chychrun for help elsewhere.

 

[Agent Zub]

So you wouldn’t send Celebrini and Korpisal to SJ for 3OA and Smith/Eklund or to Anaheim for 4OA and Mintyukov or to Chicago for 3OA and Korchinski.

I would do it for Smith, Eklund, Minty.

But those guys are great prospects not good. I doubt those teams would be willing to trade two top 5 value picks for Celebrini.

 

[Micklebot]

I wouldn’t trade chychrun for an RD. There are many solid ones in FA. Trade chychrun for help elsewhere.

Well I did say if we strike out at filling the spot via UFA,

 

[Alex1234]

I wouldn’t trade chychrun for an RD. There are many solid ones in FA. Trade chychrun for help elsewhere.

I would trade him for RD and go FA for another
We NEED 2 big tough RD since our D is so soft
Plus its the most coveted asset in the league
Can always trade one if needed

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

What’s the lowest the Boston pick could be.?

My wish list in our range at the moment is
Buium, iginla, levshunov/silayev (if they drop but McKenzie list saying they’ll be gone

If Boston wins the Division, scenario 3 below (at best)

From wiki:

1. The teams that did not qualify for the playoffs the previous season (picks 1–16)
2. The teams that made the playoffs in the previous season but did not win either their division in the regular season or play in the Conference Finals (picks 17–24 up to 28)
3. The teams that won their divisions in the previous season but did not play in the Conference Finals (potentially picks 25–28)
4. The teams that lose in Conference Finals (picks 29 and 30)
5. The team that was the runner-up in the Stanley Cup Finals (pick 31)
6. The team that won the Stanley Cup in the previous season (pick 32)