GDT: 2023 Draft - Wed, Jun 28 @ 5:00 MT & Thu, Jun 29 @ 9:00 MT

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Pretty happy with the picks we made but still a little choked we couldn't get another first rounder in this draft. Although maybe that was always going to be impossible as not a single 1st was moved anywhere yesterday. Looks like they're finally addressing how poorly this team shoots with the Sharangovich, Suniev, and Honzek additions. That's been irking me for years, all the good zone time and possession to watch a forward flutter one into the logo or put it 3ft high. Also a lot of size and athleticism, so I don't hate that. Looking at the TBL, VGK, and COL they all have those big bodies that can get inside, definitely another thing this club was lacking in the middle 6 the last couple years.


Going to give Connie and co a B-
 
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Lunatik

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We have been loving our Russian goaltending prospects recently, eh. Chechelev, Sergeev and now Yegorov, and it's great since they were all drafted out of Russia or went the NCAA route, so we have 4 years for them to develop, not just 2 like with CHL goalies.
 
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InfinityIggy

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Initial thoughts, always fun to look back on these later:

1st - Samuel Honzek (C+): Pick is fine, player consistently ranked closed to this pick, questions about ceiling give me pause given the amount of elite talent that was still on the board. Might be some more upside there than it initially appears given his injury this season. One that will become easier to determine in a years time.

2nd - Etienne Morin (A-): Great pick, reminds me of Andersson, Kylington, Poirier from prior drafts. High upside. No one would've batted an eye if a team used their late 1st on him.

3rd - Aydar Suniev (A): Exciting player, definitely feels a bit boom or bust but his numbers and storyline are encouraging. Will be a fun one to follow. Really happy we were able to grab him where we did.

4th - Jaden Lipinsk (B+): Another pick that feels like great value. Teammate of Honzek so I imagine the Flames viewed this guy lots. His size plus tool set is encouraging, another one that seems like good value for where we picked him.

6th - Yegor Yegorov (B-): Tempted to give an A+ rating for the name alone. Seems like type of guy you want to grab this late in the draft. Intriguing Russian goalie with a likely undetermined upside. Flames have been taking a goalie like this each year for awhile now and I think eventually it'll pay off.

7th - Alex Hurtig (C-): Floor seems pretty high given how late it is in the draft, but I think if he pans out you're looking at a #6D. Certainly not bad for a 7th but would've preferred someone with a higher ceiling.

Overall Grade: B

Flames did a good job of avoiding any picks that seemed like total head-scratchers. Good mix of high upside picks and well rounded ones. Can't complain too much.
 
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Draft vs prospect wise:

Yegor Yegorov (Ye Ye) seems to have many style facets goalie prospects Chechelev and Sergeyev. He comes from the MHL where we'd been scouting previously for Chechelev.

Morin has style similarities to Poirier, Valimaki, Gio. He played in Moncton where Pelletier was playing.

Axel Hurtig has size and style similarities to Solovyov and Kuznetsov. He played in Rogle where Stromgren was playing.

Honzek, Lipinski, Suniev all have size. They also have key skillsets, sandpaper, stylistic similarities and two way awareness which are reminiscent of a formerly successful Hathaway, Jankowski and Mangiapane line. Prospect/new grad wise, giving me Schwindt, Duehr, Ruzicka, Ronni, Stromgren, Ciona all seem to have some similarities and I feel like they're not too dissimilar to guys like Ilya Nikolayev, Zary, Bishop etc. but with bonus features. Honzek and Lipinski on same team. Suniev in the BCHL around the same time as Littler.

There's too many sudden similarities that I don't recall existing vs previous drafts. I can't help but think this is not a coincidence.

I can't help but think one of the next steps that Conroy and co may attempt to deploy a strategy to batch template development of certain style players to improve yields and success/graduation rates of prospects. Streamline the process and remove more guesswork out of prospect development. Winning/losing is no longer a major concern, just developmental templates and developmental style comparisons vs previous players going through the same system. Hella clever if true and with the Wranglers and Flames in the same arena, we have an advantage others can't easily copy, even if they wanted to.

If many of those forwards succeed in developing into Hathaway, Ruzicka clones with a small chance of middle 6 versions of Ferland, Matthew Tkachuk etc. I think it'd be a resounding success if we had a whole bunch of interchangeable pain in the asses in the bottom 9 and should stylistically gel with guys like Dube, Mangiapane and Sharangovich.

I wonder if Hurtig, Solovyov, Boltmann and Kuznetsov will be developed in a similar DD vein to what Gubranson was for us. Steady net front clearing guy who may defer to his partner, but synergize into a good pairing defensively, puck moving and defense/offense balance (ie: DD/OD pairings we used to do).

OD, I think many of those prospects will end up with styles we've had success pairing with others in the past. Poirier/Kylington, Morin/Gio, Lerby/Andersson?.

D corps, Weegar + Andersson top pairing. If we retain Kylington and lose Tanev + Hanifin, we're trying to rebuild a specific combination for the second and third pairings. Prospects aren't shooting at the dark in finding themselves. They'll have more detailed resources to draw from with Flames video archives. Again, I think we might look at some success pairings from 2015-2019 and imitate those for a lower ceiling higher floor scenario.

TBH, it feels like a development evolution in moving away from forcing certain players to play in a certain way which broke some of them and asking them to play how they want to play and doing everything we can to provide good resources for them to reach that specific target. (ie: Baertschi, Jankowski adding defense, players playing bigger, Bennett slowing down his game with slug wingers etc.) We had so many shooting forwards from 2015-2020 to the point we complained we needed more playmakers. Then we suddenly lost most of them and had too many playmakers. Looks like having long term contract playmakers and the youth being the shooters is a concept that is going to happen. This has worked for us before.

I honestly don't think it's a coincidence. It does make sense. Rookie coach Huska being brought forward and defense assets to be prepped similarly to graduation successes he developed in the AHL. Coach influencing the prospects, but not in a bad way. Rookie GM Conroy taking a step back and attempting to use a reasonably successful 2017-2019 Flames blueprint that the Panthers are finding success with right now. Both guys can then focus on just doing things that should have a high chance of success or at least development of assets that can be flipped for better pieces. And less figuring things out and wasting time while simultaneously navigating a newer more difficult role for the first time. New blood in Nonis for contributing ideas on prospect development and with the expected crash due to change in personnel and deploying the new development program... I think it's an interesting and creative approach.

It's ultimately a gamble and not something that is guaranteed contention success, but it does to me seem like a planned path (assuming my guess is not way off) that could have much higher levels of success than anyone would expect of the Flames. It also at the very least would offer some very entertaining on ice product.

The only thing that could really be the cherry on top of what I see so far, poach an elite goaltending coach like Ian Clark. :)

Dang, I getting excited now! :D
 
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I was really hoping we could put together a package that would allow us to move up in the draft to get that impact player in the first round. Up until last year, we had two (one we drafted 4th OAL and the other we got lucky with something like our 125th pick). Now we have none. The chances of our ever drafting in the top 5 are pretty slim I think because our illustrious owner just won't allow the team to become so uncompetitive in order to get that kind of lottery pick. If we don't convert players such as Lindholm and Hanifin into first round draft picks I fear we are cementing the team in mediocrity for many years to come.
So in the end I am a little disappointed we didn't accomplish this yesterday or today.... particularly when the 2023 draft is reputed to be the best draft depth wise in twenty years. After yesterday and today I think the best we can hope for is a good 2nd line player or a 2nd pairing dman.... which in itself good... just probably not good enough to win a SC.
 

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