Prospect Info: 2023-24 prospect information - BUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY?!

[DaveG]

Wheeler has his post draft top 50 drafted prospects.

Nikishin is 36.

We have 3 honorable mentions: Morrow, Perron, and Nadeau.

Scott Wheeler's top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, summer 2023 edition

Where do Adam Fantilli, Logan Cooley, Leo Carlsson and other top drafted NHL prospects rank on Scott Wheeler's list?

theathletic.com

reading his list over there's quite a few 23s that I would have Nikishin over currently that he has ranked in the teens. It's not egregious but at some point results are results for the guy. Kindof stunned that he has a guy that broke KHL scoring records for U-22 players, AS A DEFENSEMAN, that low.

 

[WreckingCrew]

reading his list over there's quite a few 23s that I would have Nikishin over currently that he has ranked in the teens. It's not egregious but at some point results are results for the guy. Kindof stunned that he has a guy that broke KHL scoring records for U-22 players, AS A DEFENSEMAN, that low.

Shiny new toy affect always does this to more established guys

 

[DaveG]

Shiny new toy affect always does this to more established guys

sometimes, he does have a few guys from prior years ranked higher that gave me "huh?" reactions when I saw them ranked where they were. Part of it also may be under-exposure for the KHL guys as well right now. Russia obviously is out of international play for the foreseeable future, so unless Wheeler or Pronman are going out of their way to watch KHL games, they're not getting the full picture since they aren't able to feature at say the World Championships.

 

[GindyDraws]

Just a dumb question, but is there any reason we couldnt send the AHL'ers to the ECHL to make sure they are getting the coaching we want them to? I mean bonus we win the ECHL too right!

The ECHL talent level is mostly journeymen and people who are as good as they'll ever be. Though if you want a Kelly Cup dynasty, this is the way to go.

 

[geehaad]

Just a dumb question, but is there any reason we couldnt send the AHL'ers to the ECHL to make sure they are getting the coaching we want them to? I mean bonus we win the ECHL too right!

It’s a fun thought, but another good reason this isn’t great for development is a prospect’s “need for speed”. At each successive level of hockey, the game gets faster…I’m sure you already know this. What you want for your prospects is for them to progress through these increased levels of speed until they eventually/hopefully adjust to the pace of the NHL. By having them compete in slower levels that they’ve already ascended past, you’d harm their development.

 

[Derailed75]

It’s a fun thought, but another good reason this isn’t great for development is a prospect’s “need for speed”. At each successive level of hockey, the game gets faster…I’m sure you already know this. What you want for your prospects is for them to progress through these increased levels of speed until they eventually/hopefully adjust to the pace of the NHL. By having them compete in slower levels that they’ve already ascended past, you’d harm their development.

Yeah I get that. The question is for one season would be better to be able to tailor their training within the organization, or loan them out?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah I get that. The question is for one season would be better to be able to tailor their training within the organization, or loan them out?

I think another intangible aspect. If I was a highly thought of prospect like Suzuki, Rees, Pono, etc... I'd immediately request a trade if the team said I was going to the ECHL, even for 1 season.

 

[SvechneJerk]

2023-24 NHL Prospect Pool Breakdown: Carolina Hurricanes

What happens when your combine a great prospect pool with a Stanley Cup contender? You get the Hurricanes.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

They have Morrow, Nikishin, & Nadeau all above Drury.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

2023-24 NHL Prospect Pool Breakdown: Carolina Hurricanes

What happens when your combine a great prospect pool with a Stanley Cup contender? You get the Hurricanes.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

They have Morrow, Nikishin, & Nadeau all above Drury.

idk about Nadeau but the other 2 make sense. I really do like Drury but I don't see a ton of potential beyond 3C. Nikishin is obviously our best prospect and one of the best league wide. Morrow while coming off a disappointing season does still have 1st pair RHD and elite PP QB potential. More risky of course but it's not like Drury is already 100% proven in the NHL. He's been solid in limited opportunity but could've done better. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ponomaryov surpassed him at some point, although I'm very high on Pono.

 

[DaveG]

Interestingly, Drury is not Calder eligible while the guy I'd have at #2 (Kooch) still somehow is.

 

[NotOpie]

idk about Nadeau but the other 2 make sense. I really do like Drury but I don't see a ton of potential beyond 3C. Nikishin is obviously our best prospect and one of the best league wide. Morrow while coming off a disappointing season does still have 1st pair RHD and elite PP QB potential. More risky of course but it's not like Drury is already 100% proven in the NHL. He's been solid in limited opportunity but could've done better. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ponomaryov surpassed him at some point, although I'm very high on Pono.

I also like Jack Drury and think he sometimes gets a bit of a raw deal. In the NHL, he's mostly been a product of his usage....and frankly, he's done what's been asked.

All that said, I think he's a pretty nice trade chip to add to other pieces. He's young, has shown flashes in men's leagues, and has a pretty high floor. I could easily see him as a piece in any deal moving Pesce or Skjei to get something extra (salary retention, extra pick or extra prospect)....if they feel Ponomarev or Rees are ready.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

idk about Nadeau but the other 2 make sense. I really do like Drury but I don't see a ton of potential beyond 3C. Nikishin is obviously our best prospect and one of the best league wide. Morrow while coming off a disappointing season does still have 1st pair RHD and elite PP QB potential. More risky of course but it's not like Drury is already 100% proven in the NHL. He's been solid in limited opportunity but could've done better. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ponomaryov surpassed him at some point, although I'm very high on Pono.

How was his season disappointing?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

How was his season disappointing?

For a guy with his projections and in college, i was hoping to see him through the team on his back more. He had a stretch of doing well but it was inconsistent

But likely just unfair expectations

 

[chaz4hockey]

Capfriendly has us at 39/50 contracts (lowest of the 7 teams or so I scanned). I wonder how many ELCs the team will sign this year?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Capfriendly has us at 39/50 contracts (lowest of the 7 teams or so I scanned). I wonder how many ELCs the team will sign this year?

Gotta figure most prospects would have been signed by now if we were intending to, no?

 

[chaz4hockey]

Gotta figure most prospects would have been signed by now if we were intending to, no?

Saving slots for signings into next year?

 

[DaveG]

Gotta figure most prospects would have been signed by now if we were intending to, no?

I get the impression that Morrow is the only one that we wanted to that we've punted for a season on. Though if we have an affiliate situation sorted for 24-25 that isn't the same kind of bullshit we might be able to get Blake, Lucius, and (if his freshman season is as expected) Nadeau under contract along with Rizzo and some of the Russians

 

[CandyCanes]

1 preseason game in and we’ve got the next Andrei Vasilevskiy. Let’s gooo

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

1 preseason game in and we’ve got the next Andrei Vasilevskiy. Let’s gooo

At least this 7th rounder exists

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

He’s no Yegor Naumov.

 

[Lempo]

At least this 7th rounder exists

Someone once drafts Taro Tsujimoto and everyone's suspect after that.

 

[CandyCanes]

NHL article with quotes from Waddell - Top prospects for Carolina Hurricanes

Interesting tidbits.

Morrow - The Hurricanes hope Morrow will sign and join them late this season after UMass' season is over.

Ponomarev - "We think he'll play games this season for us," Waddell said. "We think he's really close."

 

[chaz4hockey]

NHL article with quotes from Waddell - Top prospects for Carolina Hurricanes

Interesting tidbits.

Morrow - The Hurricanes hope Morrow will sign and join them late this season after UMass' season is over.

Ponomarev - "We think he'll play games this season for us," Waddell said. "We think he's really close."

Roster moves enroute...

 

[Discipline Daddy]

NHL article with quotes from Waddell - Top prospects for Carolina Hurricanes

Interesting tidbits.

Morrow - The Hurricanes hope Morrow will sign and join them late this season after UMass' season is over.

Ponomarev - "We think he'll play games this season for us," Waddell said. "We think he's really close."

Yeah that's the sense I get too. I think Rod is big fans of Ponomarev and Drury. They play the game hard. Even if they don't score a lot, they could each carve out Warren Foegele-esque careers I think in the show. I look forward to one day trading Pono to Edmonton for Philip Broberg and Drury to Vancouver to get Ethan Bear again.

 

[Chrispy]

At least this 7th rounder exists

Yeah, we never saw a single glimpse of that Frederik Andersen guy the Canes drafted in the 7th.