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Kuch, Vasy and Sergy are Imperium!!!I was thinking about it at work today. Those wrestling avatars are gonna be freaking sweet
Kuch, Vasy and Sergy are Imperium!!!I was thinking about it at work today. Those wrestling avatars are gonna be freaking sweet
Another friendly reminder that the NHL should stay at 32 teams. I know they probably won't, but this will piss me off if/when it happensI feel like we've got to get some term (or will sign for that).
A smaller consideration is being able to withstand some expansion drafts over the next few years. Maybe like Utah in 2025 and Atlanta in 2027. We're going to have to expose some good players again.
Bah. The Lightning could win the next 25 games and the masses will decide that "on paper" is not only still somehow hilarious but clever enough to do twice after the CBJ debacleWould be very fitting for everyone to agree on wrestling avatars only to then miss the playoffs.
I don’t act like he needs to be on the top line here , the fact is has must be to score. Gain I point out that when Coop moved him down to the 2nd line he went 19 games without a goal that’s 1/4 of a season. If memory serves he only had 4 assts in that period as well I would have to go look that up again but it’s close if not correct.
Now let’s decide what is a point per game guy worth in todays cap constraints? But before that consider the articleHockey news that ppg players are becoming common place. Last season there were 30 guys over a point per thus far this season with players over 30 games I counted 36 over a point per game. So is it common place???? Well I don’t know if that is 100% true because there are teams that have no ppg guys and other teams having two or three. How is salary broken down and the impact on the rest of the team is a thing. Now this is assuming Hagel makes it to the ppg level looking at his body of work he has been a complementary player. I have had many times over the years seeing Point, Kuch or Stammer just taking the team on their back to wins. I have not felt that way once with Hagel. When it comes to expectations guys it’s contracts 6 mil or more per must perform in all situations. Now with that said other than Kuch no one else has met expectations. This is not to say every player has to have a career year each year and there’s plenty of criticism to spread out on this team. Currently Stammer has more points that Hagel yet there are those who are ready to move on from him if he does not take a drastic haircut on salary. Killer was allowed to walk because he got 5 mil????? The main focus was a youth movement which in this case should not apply. For three years all the clamoring about ABB was all over this board, I was on an island being the only one that saw he was not a nhl player. While Hagel if a NHL guy the homerism is high on him . I think he will settle out at 20 goals 50 points long term worth 4 to 4.5 mil. He could be paid 5 if it were not for other overpayments on the roster.
Here’s the thing somehow the roster has to be upgraded or lose the best years of Point, Kuch and Vasy otherwise what’s the sense of having them? It’s pretty common to o see upper level talent become disgruntled and we could see a couple pissed off Russians if the roster does not get better. Righ now we have 3 gups capable to pot 40 goals any given season and gave 100 points each. But scoring below them and Hagel is lethargic. So yes I have higher expectations of Hagel we all should.
I don’t act like he needs to be on the top line here , the fact is has must be to score. I point out that when Coop moved him down to the 2nd line he went 19 games without a goal that’s 1/4 of a season. If memory serves he only had 4 assts in that period as well I would have to go look that up again but it’s close if not correct.
Now let’s decide what is a point per game guy worth in todays cap constraints? But before that consider the articleHockey news that ppg players are becoming common place. Last season there were 30 guys over a point per thus far this season with players over 30 games I counted 36 over a point per game. So is it common place???? Well I don’t know if that is
Agreed with the above - Although, I'm not entirely on board with Pylenkov just yetHoward, Thompson, Goncalves, Lilleberg (he will graduate from that status in a couple weeks), Huuhtanen, Crozier, Gauthier, Carlile, Pylenkov, Groshev.
Lol, I know. The guy outplaying his contract by the widest margin outside of Kucherov, "but he doesnt score on the second line." Well the top line doesnt score as much without him.Geesh, of all the problems this team has why are we sttiiilllll talking about Hagel? He’s one of the most effective players I’ve ever seen in any role you give him.
We need help on the bottom 6. Motte, Glendening, and Ace are fine; let’s add Jeannot to that group, but then we have a carousel of ineffective fill ins. We need 1-2 guys who are real difference makers. There are guys out there, and if Fleury shows some consistency our LHD situation could be the second biggest hole on the team and not a priority
Brendan Gallagher is making $6.5 millionSo your reasons are:
1. Hagel has to be on the top line to score - this is verifiably wrong. He has 10 goals in his last 21 games since his 19 game goalless streak - all while he was on the 2nd line. And for the record, he had 8 assists during that 19 game goalless streak.
2. Hagel doesn't "take over games" in your opinion like Point and Kuch - who are paid 3 mil more per year than him. They are the two best forwards on our team. You know who's the next best forward? Hagel. Just because he isn't elite doesn't mean he's not really good and his 6.5 mil cap number and his performance reflects that.
3. Players who make 6 mil "must perform in all situations". Hagel is 3rd on the team in PK time, and yeah, more than one of his goals has been empty netters because Coop trusts him to close out games. He scored 30 goals last year and has 48 points in 53 games this year, almost all at even strength. He has few PP points because he gets a third of the PP time Nick Paul does - probably because of all the PK time he logs. So, wrong here again.
4. You think he's going to average 20 goals, 50 points and should only be paid 4-5 mil. You left out, like you always do, how good he is defensively - see he PK time and the fact Cooper has him out there closing out games. He's been better than that offensively last year and this year - 30 goals, 60m points, and on pace for 70 this year while mostly playing on the 2nd line. Can you find a two-way player with 2 years like that who signed for 4-5 mil for 8 years?
Let's look at some other wingers paid similarly to Hagel:
Brad Marchand - paid .5 mil less and same point total, 21 on the PP.
Chris Kreider - paid the same and has the same point total in 52 games, 16 on the PP.
Jake Guentzel - paid .5 mil less and has 51 points in 49 games, 13 on the PP.
Brock Besser - paid .15 mil more, has 54 points in 53 games, 19 on the PP.
Are these guys underachievers to you? Hagel would have more points than them if he got the PP time they did. Again, Hagel is currently at .91 ppg with only 6 coming from the PP. You will ignore this like you have every other time I've pointed it out to you though.
To help you understand what a winger not living up to their paycheck looks like:
Brendan Gallagher - 8 mil, 16 points in 48 games.
Alex Killorn - 6.25 mil, .556 ppg.
Anders Lee - 7 mil, 20 points in 52 games.
Ondrej Palat - 6.25 mil, .48 ppg.
You were right on ABB, congrats. You're wrong thus far about Hagel and you look silly declaring it to be homerism when people disagree with you. The reasons you presented are either intangible opinions or verifiably wrong.
Thanks for the correction, I looked at his salary rather than his cap hit.Brendan Gallagher is making $6.5 million
Oh my sweet sumer childI was thinking about it at work today. Those wrestling avatars are gonna be freaking sweet
TB is all over this. Hanifin, Tanev, Barabanov, Walker, Lyubushkin, Savard, and Barrie.
Hanifin gonna cost way too much. But would love to sign him in the off season. He'll be expensive ofcourse but is still quote young and actually a shutdown dman, which we need desperately.
Based on this list, and the player salaries, we could really make some serious deadline moves with Sergachev's cap chunk off the board.Tampa added to a few players on the list IE: Hanifin, Barabanov, Barrie
Trade Watch List 2024 — The Fourth Period
Our catch line is gonna be "We got two words for you"Oh my sweet sumer child
Lilleberg should be retained, although they need to play him fewer minutesHe's a LD so that won't happen. We could use a really good shut down bottom pairing Dman though depending on if we believe Lilleberg or Perbix should be retained.
I expect the additions that come this offseason will be at forward, unless we trade someone
Pipe dream, I know, but Serg could play RD shifts with Him and with Hedman as well as LD on 3rd pairings to still get his 20+ minutes a night like when we had McD. It's alot of money on the backend tho, but cap is going up!He's a LD so that won't happen. We could use a really good shut down bottom pairing Dman though depending on if we believe Lilleberg or Perbix should be retained.
I expect the additions that come this offseason will be at forward, unless we trade someone
Pipe dream, I know, but Serg could play RD shifts with Him and with Hedman as well as LD on 3rd pairings to still get his 20+ minutes a night like when we had McD. It's alot of money on the backend tho, but cap is going up!
Lilleberg should be retained, although they need to play him fewer minutes
Hagel earns his paycheck and is in the top 10 for ev 5v5 points. I don't see point Stamkos, or cirelli there this year.So your reasons are:
1. Hagel has to be on the top line to score - this is verifiably wrong. He has 10 goals in his last 21 games since his 19 game goalless streak - all while he was on the 2nd line. And for the record, he had 8 assists during that 19 game goalless streak.
2. Hagel doesn't "take over games" in your opinion like Point and Kuch - who are paid 3 mil more per year than him. They are the two best forwards on our team. You know who's the next best forward? Hagel. Just because he isn't elite doesn't mean he's not really good and his 6.5 mil cap number and his performance reflects that.
3. Players who make 6 mil "must perform in all situations". Hagel is 3rd on the team in PK time, and yeah, more than one of his goals has been empty netters because Coop trusts him to close out games. He scored 30 goals last year and has 48 points in 53 games this year, almost all at even strength. He has few PP points because he gets a third of the PP time Nick Paul does - probably because of all the PK time he logs. So, wrong here again.
4. You think he's going to average 20 goals, 50 points and should only be paid 4-5 mil. You left out, like you always do, how good he is defensively - see he PK time and the fact Cooper has him out there closing out games. He's been better than that offensively last year and this year - 30 goals, 60m points, and on pace for 70 this year while mostly playing on the 2nd line. Can you find a two-way player with 2 years like that who signed for 4-5 mil for 8 years?
Let's look at some other wingers paid similarly to Hagel:
Brad Marchand - paid .5 mil less and same point total, 21 on the PP.
Chris Kreider - paid the same and has the same point total in 52 games, 16 on the PP.
Jake Guentzel - paid .5 mil less and has 51 points in 49 games, 13 on the PP.
Brock Besser - paid .15 mil more, has 54 points in 53 games, 19 on the PP.
Are these guys underachievers to you? Hagel would have more points than them if he got the PP time they did. Again, Hagel is currently at .91 ppg with only 6 coming from the PP. You will ignore this like you have every other time I've pointed it out to you though.
To help you understand what a winger not living up to their paycheck looks like:
Brendan Gallagher - 8 mil, 16 points in 48 games.
Alex Killorn - 6.25 mil, .556 ppg.
Anders Lee - 7 mil, 20 points in 52 games.
Ondrej Palat - 6.25 mil, .48 ppg.
You were right on ABB, congrats. You're wrong thus far about Hagel and you look silly declaring it to be homerism when people disagree with you. The reasons you presented are either intangible opinions or verifiably wrong.