Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 2

[These Are The Days]

This year is a write off at this point. JBB might try for a push/spark to get them into the playoffs but the level of play from everyone isn't clicking this year. Hedman is having a good offensive year, kind if mid on the defense. Hagel is producing well, and Kuch is obviously in god mode. Stamkos could just be due to contract distraction stuff, I can almost guarantee that. Not sure what's up with Point and Vasy this year, specially Vasy.

Next year is when they have to tell the roster and coaching stuff enough of this coasting or lack of effort bullshit. One last ride, get your act together. If they still underperfom then they gotta shake things up with coaching staff, maybe of our big contracts are moved and maybe JBB is relieved of duties.

I don't think it's gonna get that bad. JFBB will get his own coaching hire before we dismantle the entire club. I don't even think it will get THAT bad either. I don't think Coop has lost the room at all. I think they hinge on his every word. But I think the team is completely checked out of the regular season and the rest of the NHL has the book on his coaching recipe. He just needs to do something different and he has always done well with that.

The only beef I'm gonna have with Coop is if we run the 3-1-1 death by structure every second he possibly can next year when it has barely worked at all this year. Everyone knows how to beat it now and we're not gonna reconstruct a 2001 dead puck era team that plays well enough to keep on doing it

 

[LTIR Trickery]

It depends on this year. Say we clowned in 5 games this year after pulling teeth to get Hanifin and at mid point next year we go 18-23-2 with all that talent and blow 7 leads and lose in the process. At the very least the question of "Whats going on and how are you fixing it" is gonna come up

Don't buy it. Honestly JBB took a gamble on a lot of guys this year (and honestly thats the position we're in, what we have to do) and the majority of this falls on him for the moment. I had high hopes that we'd at least get some half-assed offense out of guys like Sheary and Motte but even that hasn't really come to fruition, almost nothing they attempted personnel-wise in the bottom six actually worked out this year except Glendening. Most of the kids they've called up have been more effective on a night to night basis.

It depends on this year. Say we clowned in 5 games this year after pulling teeth to get Hanifin and at mid point next year we go 18-23-2 with all that talent and blow 7 leads and lose in the process. At the very least the question of "Whats going on and how are you fixing it" is gonna come up

Thats a whole lot of "what ifs", right up there with "what if the team bus crashed in Calgary"

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Don't buy it. Honestly JBB took a gamble on a lot of guys this year (and honestly thats the position we're in, what we have to do) and the majority of this falls on him for the moment. I had high hopes that we'd at least get some half-assed offense out of guys like Sheary and Motte but even that hasn't really come to fruition, almost nothing they attempted personnel-wise in the bottom six actually worked out this year except Glendening. Most of the kids they've called up have been more effective on a night to night basis.


Thats a whole lot of "what ifs", right up there with "what if the team bus crashed in Calgary"

This. We knew we had to make a bunch of smaller moves and take chances due to cap constraints. The moves just didn't work.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

This. We knew we had to make a bunch of smaller moves and take chances due to cap constraints. The moves just didn't work.

Almost none of them, my friend. I have no issues admitting I was the guy pumping tires at the potential of this bottom six at the start of the year, I thought for sure having guys like 21/91/86/38 in front of something like Sheary-Cirelli-Jeannot would at least produce somewhat. Instead, the only two in the bottom half that have done something useful has been Essy and Glendening. Brutal.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

When is the last time a true puck possession guy who drives the play (like Marty and Point) has played alongside Stamkos? Not including Point. Was it Drouin?

To be honest, other than Drouin, I don't think we've had a player like that since Marty - other than Point obviously.

 

[The Gongshow]

When is the last time a true puck possession guy who drives the play (like Marty and Point) has played alongside Stamkos? Not including Point. Was it Drouin?

To be honest, other than Drouin, I don't think we've had a player like that since Marty - other than Point obviously.

Stamkos has had a revolving door of lineamates, usually multiple in a season. We haven't had a truly talented winger to plant him with long-term to gain any chemistry with

 

[Hockeyville USA]

When is the last time a true puck possession guy who drives the play (like Marty and Point) has played alongside Stamkos? Not including Point. Was it Drouin?

To be honest, other than Drouin, I don't think we've had a player like that since Marty - other than Point obviously.

Does the Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov line to end 2017-18 count or no?

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Does the Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov line to end 2017-18 count or no?

I don't really view Kucherov as a puck possession guy like Marty or Point. I think he is more of a passer and quick decision maker. Maybe I'm wrong there.

Miller I honestly don't remember his game that well. Was he a big possession guy?

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I don't really view Kucherov as a puck possession guy like Marty or Point. I think he is more of a passer and quick decision maker. Maybe I'm wrong there.

Miller I honestly don't remember his game that well. Was he a big possession guy?

Miller flashed moments of that but he deferred quite a bit to the other top guys. He's much more puck dominant in Vancouver where he became a top guy.

 

[Outl4w]

mantha has a 5.7 milly cap hit and will be expecting a raise next season. i dont expect vegas to keep him longer than the post season.

Do we want to keep jeannot at 3 million or sheary at 2 million? If he walked who cares. We got rid of two players not bringing anything we don't have and replaced them with a top 6 power forward to try to win in the playoffs.

Florida got Taresenko at 50% retained for less than we paid for useless Jeannot. What a bad trade that was.

 

[These Are The Days]

Lmfao it just occurred to me. What if we traded for DeAngelo purely for the sake of the memes and got Hanifin too?

 

[Master P]

Lmfao it just occurred to me. What if we traded for DeAngelo purely for the sake of the memes and got Hanifin too?

Hedman Cernak
Hanifin Sergachev
Fleury Deangelo


Works for me.

 

[The Gongshow]

Do we want to keep jeannot at 3 million or sheary at 2 million? If he walked who cares. We got rid of two players not bringing anything we don't have and replaced them with a top 6 power forward to try to win in the playoffs.

Florida got Taresenko at 50% retained for less than we paid for useless Jeannot. What a bad trade that was.

Mantha and Tarasenko combined got less of a return than Jeannot did...

 

[JoVel]

Lmfao it just occurred to me. What if we traded for DeAngelo purely for the sake of the memes and got Hanifin too?

This board is awful at letting go off players we've had in the past, lol.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

This board is awful at letting go off players we've had in the past, lol.

Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

 

[These Are The Days]

This board is awful at letting go off players we've had in the past, lol.

It really is. I still want Gourde back hahahaha. I have no attachment to DeAngelo though. The last thing the city of Tampa needs is yet another person who won't shut up about politics

 

[Hoek]

Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

What's weird is we had like zero experience with DeAngelo other than him supposedly being an a-hole behind the scenes which got him sent out of town in the first place, so what nostalgia?

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Lmfao it just occurred to me. What if we traded for DeAngelo purely for the sake of the memes and got Hanifin too?

The org really, really doesn't like him.

 

[These Are The Days]

The org really, really doesn't like him.

As they shouldn't. He sounds like an A+ douche canoe

 

[LTIR Trickery]

As they shouldn't. He sounds like an A+ douche canoe

From the story I was told, it wasn't even Tony that was the issue, it was his family. Imagine with enough time Tony would make himself an issue though.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Give me Raddysh over DeAngelo every day of the week.

 

[Outl4w]

Mantha and Tarasenko combined got less of a return than Jeannot did...

That would have solved our top 6 and bottom 6 problems. Mantha and taresensko with point/stamkos and
Kuch and Hagel with Point/Stamkos. Bottom 6
Cirelli Paul esymont
Motte glendenning and chaffee/Watson/sheary
Terrible trade for Jeannot last year.

 

[Todd1a]

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[TheDaysOf 04]

So to keep track

2024 draft picks

TB 1st rd pick (Hagel trade)
TB 2nd rd pick (Jeannot trade)
TB 3rd rd pick
TB 4th rd pick (Paul trade)
TB 5th rd pick
TB 6th rd pick
CHI 7th rd pick (Perry trade)
MIN 7th rd pick (Maroon trade)
TB 7th rd pick (ANA-EDM trade)


2025 draft picks

TB 1st rd pick (Jeannot trade)
TB 2nd rd pick
TB 3rd rd pick
TB 4th rd pick
EDM 4th rd pick (ANA-EDM trade) *2026 if EDM wins cup
TB 5th rd pick
TB 6th rd pick
TB 7th rd pick
MIN 7th rd pick (Bogosian trade)

 

[Stammertime91]

So to keep track

2024 draft picks

TB 1st rd pick (Hagel trade)
TB 2nd rd pick (Jeannot trade)
TB 3rd rd pick
TB 4th rd pick (Paul trade)
TB 5th rd pick
TB 6th rd pick
CHI 7th rd pick (Perry trade)
MIN 7th rd pick (Maroon trade)
TB 7th rd pick (ANA-EDM trade)


2025 draft picks

TB 1st rd pick (Jeannot trade)
TB 2nd rd pick
TB 3rd rd pick
TB 4th rd pick
EDM 4th rd pick (ANA-EDM trade) *2026 if EDM wins cup
TB 5th rd pick
TB 6th rd pick
TB 7th rd pick
MIN 7th rd pick (Bogosian trade)

Now would be a really nice time to move CDH for a 2024 4th. Cap space back in business and we gained two 4ths.