Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft

[Zetterberg4Captain]

What' the point of a paid opinion if you preposition it by saying "of course i don' think anything of what I said is true or will actually happen"

Geez any nincompoop can pull that crap off

Stand by your opinion or dont have one

 

[DetroitRed]

Quinn is a lefty and he's one of three offensive defenders who might be available to Detroit this draft. Dobson is a righty, and the only two-way finesse defender of the four defenders who could be available to the Red Wings. So, despite Hughes' skating, Dobson seems less ordinary. Plus, considering Dobson is ten months younger and therefore less seasoned than Hughes, I think you have to expect Dobson's got more upside, both offensive and defensive.

Dobson can close the gap on Hughes and Bouchard with development. Simultaneously, with Bouchard, you can't expect his offense to translate seamlessly into the NHL. Bouchard has gotten points from all over the place because his skating is a real advantage for him in juniors, but his skating wont stand out so much in the NHL.

Not to bag on popular rankings; they serve a purpose. However, major published rankings often conflict a little with one another, even while all them are off on nearly every player in every draft.

 

[Frk It]

Quinn is a lefty and he's one of three offensive defenders who might be available to Detroit this draft. Dobson is a righty, and the only two-way finesse defender of the four defenders who could be available to the Red Wings. Plus, considering Dobson is ten months younger and therefore less seasoned than Hughes, I think you have to expect Dobson's got more upside, both offensive and defensive.

Dobson can close the gap on Hughes and Bouchard with development. Simultaneously, with Bouchard, you can't expect his offense to translate seamlessly into the NHL. Bouchard has gotten points from all over the place because his skating is a real advantage for him in juniors, but his skating wont stand out so much in the NHL.

Not to bag on popular rankings; they serve a purpose. However, major published rankings often conflict a little with one another, even while all them are off on nearly every player in every draft.

You don't consider Hughes and Boqvist finesse defenders? To me, that is exactly what they are.

What' the point of a paid opinion if you preposition it by saying "of course i don' think anything of what I said is true or will actually happen"

Geez any nincompoop can pull that crap off

Stand by your opinion or dont have one

A mock draft is predicting what will happen. A ranking is saying what you think should happen. He is providing the latter. He does stand by his opinions, he answered some of my questions already.

 

[DetroitRed]

You don't consider Hughes and Boqvist finesse defenders? To me, that is exactly what they are.

Only in the offensive zone, not on defense. They aren't nearly is skilled in their own end. Their games don't translate anywhere near as well there.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I mean look at all the defenseman who are incredibly effective but do not play like Karlsson does. There are a ton. I get valuing skilled forwards, I usually agree with him there. But I really do not get his defenseman rankings at all this year.

It would be hard to defend his ranking of the two defensemen in question if he had to address the comparisons to Pietrangelo and Carlson, that's for sure. I think his best work is when he is answering questions from his readers. It's easy to put out rankings on players when it's 100% subjective, but I think it reveals more when he is put on the spot and he has to cite reasons for his decision.

It's also tough to comprehend what his actual goal is; so many times people will bring up a name that is regarded as a late first, early second round pick and he will be extremely dismissive. He will just completely write off players because they "don't have high upside." Almost like anyone he thinks should be drafted outside of the first round isn't even worth discussing.

 

[Frk It]

Only in the offensive zone, not on defense.

I think they are in both zones, for sure. Dobson doesn't really shy away from contact and he's very skinny still. Once he fills out I don't see him being a finesse guy. I think Hughes and Boqvist will always be guys who rely on their stick and skating and will have a hard time with physical battles.

 

[DetroitRed]

I think they are in both zones, for sure. Dobson doesn't really shy away from contact and he's very skinny still. Once he fills out I don't see him being a finesse guy. I think Hughes and Boqvist will always be guys who rely on their stick and skating and will have a hard time with physical battles.

With Hughes, his skating is a massive advantage, more at the level he's played at than it would be in the NHL. Yet, even there, he isn't particularly known for his defensive play.

Dobson could say gain 10 or 20 pounds and slow a bit, but that wont hurt him defensively. Especially not, I think in comparison to Bouchard. Dobson is already the better skater of the two.

They are all using stick-work to defend, but it's Dobson who is the most successful, and it's not a very close comparison between the three. Dobson is a much better defender. Hughes and Bouchard are offensive specialists.

 

[Hen Kolland]

With Hughes, his skating is a massive advantage, more at the level he's played at than it would be in the NHL. Yet, even there, he isn't particularly known for his defensive play.

Dobson could say gain 10 or 20 pounds and slow a bit, but that wont hurt him defensively. Especially not, I think in comparison to Bouchard. Dobson is already the better skater of the two.

They are all using stick-work to defend, but it's Dobson who is the most successful, and it's not a very close comparison between the three. Dobson is a much better defender. Hughes and Bouchard are offensive specialists.

No disagreements on what roles these players fit, but a lot of scouting reports think that Hughes would be one of the top skaters in the league right now. Yes he needs to get stronger, yes he needs to clean up his play in his own zone, but like you said, he is an offensive defenseman. If you could pair him with a clean, stay at home defenseman at even strength and allow his skill set to be used to display his strong suits, you'd be hard pressed to find a player who can drive a high pace of play from the back end the way he does. The real issue is, we don't have the right option to pair him with right now. I am pro-Dobson, but I don't think there is a bad pick to be made in the top 10. Each player would fill a major hole in the pipeline or with the team immediately.

 

[DetroitRed]

No disagreements on what roles these players fit, but a lot of scouting reports think that Hughes would be one of the top skaters in the league right now. Yes he needs to get stronger, yes he needs to clean up his play in his own zone, but like you said, he is an offensive defenseman. If you could pair him with a clean, stay at home defenseman at even strength and allow his skill set to be used to display his strong suits, you'd be hard pressed to find a player who can drive a high pace of play from the back end the way he does. The real issue is, we don't have the right option to pair him with right now. I am pro-Dobson, but I don't think there is a bad pick to be made in the top 10. Each player would fill a major hole in the pipeline or with the team immediately.

No real arguments from me on that. I do think Dobson is more two-way than stay-at-home though. Granted, his defense stands out more than his offense.

Even so, stud defensive defenders who aren't pylons have more value, are harder to come by, and I think are the guys you build around. With Dobson, potentially one has finally fallen in to the Wings' lap and virtually free of charge. Plus, he should be a good offensive talent too.

What the Wings couldn't get a hold of, not in five plus years of searching is a defensive stud. So, this is the horses finally led to water. I am all for them taking a drink.

I think you get Dobson, then maybe you think about an offensive defender to compliment him if need be, remembering though that Dobson's offense is good and could very well improve.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Pronman released his top ten today, no Bouchard or Dobson, which is bananas to me.

 

[DetroitRed]

Pronman released his top ten today, no Bouchard or Dobson, which is bananas to me.

That's okay. The best picks are the ones that leave everyone scratching their heads until the guy becomes a star.

 

[TheMule93]

That's okay. The best picks are the ones that leave everyone scratching their heads until the guy becomes a star.

Ok but Bouchard or dobson being picked in the top 10 would leave approx zero people scratching their heads

 

[DetroitRed]

Ok but Bouchard or dobson being picked in the top 10 would leave approx zero people scratching their heads

Point taken!

 

[Wings4Life]

We need to trade up with that second pick. Don't care if it takes a second rounder, trade up to #20 or so, and grab Barret Hayton. Kid will be a top 6 C in this league. Almost identical season to Robert Thomas last year (went 22nd overall and just had a massive season to follow that up with).

 

[Tatar Shots]

We need to trade up with that second pick. Don't care if it takes a second rounder, trade up to #20 or so, and grab Barret Hayton. Kid will be a top 6 C in this league. Almost identical season to Robert Thomas last year (went 22nd overall and just had a massive season to follow that up with).

Hayton will go closer to 10 then he will 20

 

[ChadS]

It's also tough to comprehend what his actual goal is; so many times people will bring up a name that is regarded as a late first, early second round pick and he will be extremely dismissive. He will just completely write off players because they "don't have high upside." Almost like anyone he thinks should be drafted outside of the first round isn't even worth discussing.

I don't really see the problem, his ranking is a "who I like" list in order of long-term potential. If he doesn't like a player's upside enough, why have them on the list and why draft that player? He already has 74 names who he likes and would draft, and that list will probably last until the end of the draft with some names left over.

Very surprised to see Mikhail Shalagin on that list, no one has talked about him anywhere (I think). Been watching him every now and then in the MHL and he's definitely worth a late pick.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

What's the likelihood of K'Andre Miller being around for our Vegas pick? As I read more, I'm really starting to like this kid.

 

[Tatar Shots]

What's the likelihood of K'Andre Miller being around for our Vegas pick? As I read more, I'm really starting to like this kid.

I like him, but don't expect him to be around at 30. He could be available though

 

[Nut Upstrom]

I like him, but don't expect him to be around at 30. He could be available though

Yea, looking at mocks, I see him going everywhere from early 20's to early 2nd round. Thanks for the response.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

To be honest, the debate over Dobson, Hughes, and Bouchard is moot.

Be happy with any of them.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I think we will make a pick that will not cause anyone to come away with a ton of frustration

I'm personally not ready to assume this. Feels like the Wings have a knack for taking somebody that pundits, draft services, and fans don't think so highly of. If anybody wants the sexy pick, this is the wrong team, that's for sure.

 

[Frk It]

What's the likelihood of K'Andre Miller being around for our Vegas pick? As I read more, I'm really starting to like this kid.

Maybe just because he is raw still. Actually think he is someone Tyler Wright would like a lot. Checks the size and character boxes, from what I gather.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I don't really see the problem, his ranking is a "who I like" list in order of long-term potential. If he doesn't like a player's upside enough, why have them on the list and why draft that player? He already has 74 names who he likes and would draft, and that list will probably last until the end of the draft with some names left over.

Very surprised to see Mikhail Shalagin on that list, no one has talked about him anywhere (I think). Been watching him every now and then in the MHL and he's definitely worth a late pick.

74 names in a draft that will have over 200 players selected likely won't last the entire draft. What good is a comprehensive ranking that lists 20 some names as first round talent when there is 31 picks in the round? I don't really have a problem, but was pointing out quirks in his analysis and approach. He might give a secound round grade to a player that other people have as a first round talent because he doesn't like see game breaking skill, but he only has 20 first round prospects?

 

[Nut Upstrom]

To be honest, the debate over Dobson, Hughes, and Bouchard is moot.

Be happy with any of them.

What about Boqvist?

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Maybe just because he is raw still. Actually think he is someone Tyler Wright would like a lot. Checks the size and character boxes, from what I gather.

Size and character are two of the things I really like about him, and I totally agree, he seems like a Wright kind of guy. I'm really hoping he's around.