Speculation: 2018 NHL Draft Talk :)

[MinJaBen]

I’m not pessimistic enough to think that Rutherford and Francis blatantly ignored their own scouts, however.

I'd hope no GM would ignore their own scouts. But in the case of this organization and the relatively small budget that the scouting staff supposedly had, maybe Ron didn't think we had enough coverage to make the outlook complete or maybe he felt we didn't have the best scouting talent on hand due to non-competitive salaries? Maybe none of that is true and they are excellent and Ron just made the pick off their list? I don't know. But given the massive amounts of change in the organization management so far, given the penchant for looking for bargains of our owner, and given the stated desire to get "tougher" and everything that statement can mean...I am just not comfortable trusting they make the right decision.

 

[bleedgreen]

I would bet the most RF ever influenced a pick is if the scouts gave him a choice of two guys they like and he leaned one way or the other for them.

Overall for this draft I’m sticking with my original thoughts. I’m fine with any of the top three forwards, and I think Zadina could easily end up the better forward of the consensus top two. I’ll be pumped to get Svech as much as anyone else, I just haven’t been convinced there’s a huge gap between the two.

I could give a flying fornication about which one is more NHL ready now. If you’re counting on an 18 year old to turn your team into a playoff squad your team is trash.

 

[AD Skinner]

Interesting then that a lot of the canes' most successful draft pick and have been outside of the first recently

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What are you guys talking about with the "ignoring scouts" and making picks?

2013: Wasn't Francis's pick, and contrary to popular belief, it wasn't "his guy". I posted an interview a few months ago where JR came right out and said that MacDonald and Kron were the guys that were the most responsible and played the biggest part of picking Lindholm.
2014: Fleury was ranked 8th-10th and ahead of Nylander and Ehlers by many scouting agencies / pundits. McKenzie's list, which is a compilation of NHL scouts views had Fleury at 8th, Nylander at 9th, and Ehlers at 10th. Why do we suddenly think our Scouts were better than other teams and saw things differently than what we drafted?
2015: Hanifin was a consensus top 5 pick, in many cases top 3. Again, McKenzie had him 3rd OA and this board was ecstatic when he was available at #5.
2016: McKenzie had Bean at #12. (McAvoy at 14) and Gauthier at 17. McKeens had Bean at 10 (McAvoy at 12), Gauthier at 20. NA scouting central had Bean at #12, Gauthier at #16 (McAvoy at 24). Button had Bean at #12, Gauthier outside his top 30 (McAvoy at 15). Pronmann had Bean at #19, Gauthier at #24 (McAvoy at 26). In hinsight, McAvoy would have been a better pick, but most people didn't think that at the time.
2017: Necas looks like a home run.

I don't see anything that says Francis ignored his scouts and made picks on his own. If the Canes were taking guys that were way out of line with where they should have (Paradis for example), then I'd buy it. At the end of the day, Francis owns the picks though, good and bad, but it's not like this same scouting staff was hitting homeruns in the 1st round under JR. If anything, our low budget scouting staff probably took a "safe" stance and took guys that everyone thought was the right pick in that spot.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I haven't seen anything suggesting we're considering Zadina cause of "chemistry with Necas." It seems more like it's hack writers and internet posters pushing that narrative. It's weird cause you wouldn't see the same narrative if the players were American or Canadian. Hell you barely see this "chemistry" BS even with junior teammates let alone guys that have only played a tournament together. That's not chemistry, that's called good players play well together. How about Laine and Aho's chemistry? I think the narrative is a mixture of stirring the pot, hoping for some draft day chaos/excitement, overrating of WJC stats, and Russian bias. I've seen elements of all of that in a lot of this crap. Stat watching idiots do stupid stuff like comparing PIMs for who's harder to play against. The WJC introduced a lot of gray area because people put way too much emphasis on it, it's red flag that Svechnikov couldn't even put up a goal when the pressure was highest. Evidently a handful of games show Zadina in the better "competitor" and goal scorer. When one of these guys was presented with the context that Russian coaches for some reason relegate young players to a 4th line role and minutes, regardless of talent, the fact that Svechnikov had one of the highest P/60 in the tournament should have shown how impressive Svechnikov's versatility is. Instead, the response was that elite players find ways to score regardless of their minutes. What kind of a dumb statement is that? Of course, when you actually take deeper dive into the two players, you see that Svechnikov is on a higher tier. Not to say Zadina won't become a superstar, but Svechnikov probably goes first overall in last year's draft. We've got the same scouting team in place. We've got Dudley who evidently is a supreme evaluator of talent. And we've got Tulsky who can see the story the underlying numbers tell. All this noise I feel like is from people who have no idea what they're talking about blowing a bunch of hot air.

Zadina is nothing in the WJC without Necas.

On another note, is there a site that has advanced stats for the WJC? More than the usual.

 

[emptyNedder]

In looking at past picks, it might still be too soon to say they haven't worked. I think Lindholm could be this year's Couturier, especially if centering Svechnikov.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

i don't even know how we are going to fit our forwards into the lineup. Ryan is out but who else?

 

[FaulkYouAho]

can we make a next season thread or predict next years lines thread

 

[Dishface]

i don't even know how we are going to fit our forwards into the lineup. Ryan is out but who else?

Lee and nordy (RFA) probably wont be back.

 

[Johniac]

I really think some of these mock drafts and rumors having Svechnikov falling past number two are to play mind games with the Canes and get them to second guess the pick. The conspiracy theory to me is that Montreal desperately wants Svech. Every time these drafts pop up, fans of other teams all come a knocking to see if it might possibly be true. Where there is smoke, there is fire!

 

[the halleJOKEL]

can we make a next season thread or predict next years lines thread

you can do whatever you want, boss

 

[FaulkYouAho]

Lee and nordy (RFA) probably wont be back.

wait those are nhl players?

 

[MinJaBen]

 

[GoldiFox]

There's a good chance you may be selected by the Carolina Hurricanes, who hold the No. 2 pick in the 2018 NHL Draft. Do you have any thoughts on Carolina?
"That's a team that looks like they're on the way up. They have a lot of good young players, and that suits me well. I will be honored to be selected by any NHL team; it's my dream. I watched my brother get drafted, and it was great. It's something I've dreamed for my whole life."

I’ll take it

 

[Joe McGrath]

Can we do the draft now please. The possibility of them being handed a gift and then f***ing it up is giving me anxiety.

 

[vorbis]

Can we do the draft now please. The possibility of them being handed a gift and then ****ing it up is giving me anxiety.

look on the bright side: nothing is real, all ideology is pointless, and the sun will consume the earth and solar system in 2 billion years

 

[Svechhammer]

I love that back and forth

NHL.com: Please tell us why you're depressed that you'll be drafted to Carolina

Svechnikov: Da fuq? Have you seen that roster? I'm the missing link, brah, we on the come up. Oh, right, and I'd be truly honored to be drafted by any team....

 

[CandyCanes]

On a side note. Svechnikov seems like a great kid and has quite a personality after reading a few things and watching a few interviews of him. From the sense of things I can see him being a fan favorite both on and off the ice. I'm guessing his post game interviews with Mike are going to be as good as Aho's

 

[The Faulker 27]

I'm going to be so obnoxiously over excited leading up to June 22. My wife is going to be even more sick of me.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Do you have any superstitions, and what is your favorite pregame meal?
"I do have a superstition, but I can't tell you because otherwise my routine won't keep working for me. My mom makes great Borscht. It's a cabbage soup that's delicious. In Russia, that's a favorite for a lot of people. It's very popular. But I can't have that for a pregame meal. Usually, I like pasta and chicken before a game."

I'm securing funds for a food truck specializing in Eastern European cuisine, and especially Borscht soup. It will be stationed near PNC arena. More to come...

 

[Navin R Slavin]

please please please please please please don't f*** this up please

 

[Unsustainable]

Wonder how much it would cost to have my Semin changed to Svechnikov

Do that and buy a new Alternate for Aho

 

[GoldiFox]

John Forslund on 99.9 just said based on all his sources (including internal) that there is only 1 option at #2 - Svechnikov.

“Unbelievable physical strong Russian kid. Built for the NHL at 18. Slam dunk” - John parahrase

 

[MinJaBen]

John Forslund on 99.9 just said based on all his sources (including internal) that there is only 1 option at #2 - Svechnikov.

“Unbelievable physical strong Russian kid. Built for the NHL at 18. Slam dunk” - John parahrase

That's the best news I've heard in a while. Very excited now.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm securing funds for a food truck specializing in Eastern European cuisine, and especially Borscht soup. It will be stationed near PNC arena. More to come...

There's probably no better way to create a bunch of space for yourself on the ice than to binge on borscht before the game.