GDT: 2017 IIHF World Junior Hockey Championships

agentblack

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Missed the game, but sounded like it was a good one.

I will say though I feel like the IIHF overextended themselves in these big markets

Next time they should go back to smaller venues, feels more intense and intimate and they'll
probably sell out
 

El Travo

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Missed the game, but sounded like it was a good one.

I will say though I feel like the IIHF overextended themselves in these big markets

Next time they should go back to smaller venues, feels more intense and intimate and they'll
probably sell out

Don't worry, they already have. :sarcasm:
 

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That was a unequivocally amazing game.

This isn't supposed to be a knock against Jost, but if McAvoy continues to develop like that, we picked the wrong player. He was utterly unbelievable today and consider the factor it is just so much harder finding legitimate top 2 defencemen like him over forwards like Jost.

Another player was also outstanding tonight was Chabot, his mobility and intelligence is quite ridiculous. But there is one negative aspect about his game, his shot is so weak it couldn't even break hydrogen bonds. Though, since he's going to Ottawa he doesn't really need to shoot, just needs to pass it to Karlsson. Until he improves his shot, he isn't much of a scare factor on the point.
 

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That was a unequivocally amazing game.

This isn't supposed to be a knock against Jost, but if McAvoy continues to develop like that, we picked the wrong player. He was utterly unbelievable today and consider the factor it is just so much harder finding legitimate top 2 defencemen like him over forwards like Jost.

Another player was also outstanding tonight was Chabot, his mobility and intelligence is quite ridiculous. But there is one negative aspect about his game, his shot is so weak it couldn't even break hydrogen bonds. Though, since he's going to Ottawa he doesn't really need to shoot, just needs to pass it to Karlsson. Until he improves his shot, he isn't much of a scare factor on the point.


Agreed on McAvoy having a stellar game but as a whole he wasn't that impressive. Good just not enough to make me think we ****ed up.

Cabot's shot is fine...his wrister is accurate which is the most important thing for defenders get your shots through and keep them low.

As for Jost loved what I saw from him. Yeah, his play tailed off as the tournament went on but I'm not sure what some are thinking not coming away happy with his performance. People are acting like it was Bigras or Tintin bad. Regardless this will have no bearing how he does in the NHL. I'm just glad I watched him play he brought more excitement then the avs have all season. His strength "issue" are nothing to be concerned about and it could actually be a good thing. Imagine how good he can be when the boy becomes a man? His board play is already fantastic and set up the 4th goal.

It's been exactly 365 days since I was that emotionally invested in a game. Makes me sadder the avs are ****. Until next year I guess. Looking forward to seeing more of future av Dahlin too.
 

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Rantanen scored what was supposed to be the gold medal winner if they could have held a god damn lead for two minutes and was named best player in the gold medal game but yet that's bad. And Bigras' reputation was ruined because of it. That's why it's a curse to even have anyone included in the WJC. I hope nobody ever goes again from this org.
 

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Rantanen scored what was supposed to be the gold medal winner if they could have held a god damn lead for two minutes and was named best player in the gold medal game but yet that's bad. And Bigras' reputation was ruined because of it. That's why it's a curse to even have anyone included in the WJC. I hope nobody ever goes again from this org.

Tintin had a terrible tournament...one good game doesn't change that. Doesn't matter though. Bigras is still highly regarded on here so, not sure what you talking about.

That's just silly. Most can't/won't watch any junior hockey and this is the only way they can see their prospects. Who cares if some on HF put too much value on it?
 

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Jost played fine in this game. He was just given the Avalanche prospect treatment in this tourney. BCHL boy, turned collegiate player, and Avalanche draft pick. That's a recipe for a Team Canada coach not giving a **** about you.

He was great on the PP when they were getting tons of praise in the first couple games. Then he was relegated to the second unit which pretty much only went on after they usually left the first unit on for around 1:30.

He developed great chemistry with Roy and their line was arguably Canada's most dominant. Then he was moved off the line and tasked with getting Strome going who was struggling. If you watch their shifts, Strome would do next to nothing and just stand around in the slot, whiles Jost was all by himself in the corners. Strome continued to struggle and they eventually turned into Canada's 4th line because of it.

Case in point Jost got one 10 second shift five minutes into OT, and after the whistle Ducharme changed lines. He sat for another three minutes until he got a shift at the end of a PP. Then he sat again for another 3-4 minutes.

Finally Ducharme went to three lines with around five minutes to go, but like in true Hockey Canada fashion he bumped up 0 intensity Strome who had been invisible all game and gave him two shifts with Dube while he sat Jost until the final minute of OT where he went out with Barzal.

Jost looked a tad gassed towards the end, but he played fine. Worked hard, won a lot of battles for the puck, snapped some good passes around with good movement to set up chances, had some good shots. He just had no chemistry with his line mates, and didn't get much of a role on the team the last five games or so. He was their utility player.
 
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Watched every TC game. Just looked great in some and good in others. This may change but I was a bit concerned how his size hurt him periodically. The US Dmen used their size to neutralize him pretty easily on a few occasions last night. I'm sure he will be doing some serious strength training going forward. Such a great game to watch though. Haven't seen passion like that as an Avs fan for over a decade.
 

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That was a unequivocally amazing game.

This isn't supposed to be a knock against Jost, but if McAvoy continues to develop like that, we picked the wrong player. He was utterly unbelievable today and consider the factor it is just so much harder finding legitimate top 2 defencemen like him over forwards like Jost.

Another player was also outstanding tonight was Chabot, his mobility and intelligence is quite ridiculous. But there is one negative aspect about his game, his shot is so weak it couldn't even break hydrogen bonds. Though, since he's going to Ottawa he doesn't really need to shoot, just needs to pass it to Karlsson. Until he improves his shot, he isn't much of a scare factor on the point.

Agree McAvoy looks like he's going to be great, had a few nice dangles last night, really wish he was drafted by the Avs who seldom if ever select D in the first round....along those lines who has it been? Siemens in '11, Shattenkirk in '07 then what all the way back to Regher, Belak and Skoula in the '90s? I would venture a guess that the Avs are on the extreme low end in terms of frequency of drafting D in the first round relative to other teams (and it obviously shows w/ the quality they currently have back there).
 

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This isn't supposed to be a knock against Jost, but if McAvoy continues to develop like that, we picked the wrong player. He was utterly unbelievable today and consider the factor it is just so much harder finding legitimate top 2 defencemen like him over forwards like Jost.

McAvoy is a stud. He is going to be a hell of a NHL player. If the Avs HAD to trade with Boston, I'd be disappointed if he isn't part of the return.

Rantanen scored what was supposed to be the gold medal winner if they could have held a god damn lead for two minutes and was named best player in the gold medal game but yet that's bad. And Bigras' reputation was ruined because of it. That's why it's a curse to even have anyone included in the WJC. I hope nobody ever goes again from this org.

This seems absurd to me. Bigras didn't have a good tournament, but his reputation isn't ruined. Rants wasn't worse off for being so-so last year. It never hurts to have a prospect play in a best of the best tournament. It gives them a chance to feel a big stage before they have to make an impact in the NHL. Even if they don't play well it gives them some things to work on and some experience playing at a higher level. That is nothing but good for a kid's development.

Almost any first round pick that doesn't stick in the NHL their first couple years is going to get some WJC time, if you want those picks, naturally those players are going to play in the WJC. A lot of 2nd and 3rd rounders make these teams as well. It is a good sign if these players (especially from Canada) go to these tournaments.

Jost has long been a Team Canada favorite, he wasn't treated poorly because he was a BCHL or Avs kid. He just wasn't one of the top players on the team and wasn't good enough to earn the extra time.
 
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I really don't understand the Canadian coaches decision to try to get Strome going. Dude was basically a PP specialist all tourney, but the coaches kept trying to give him more ice time in hopes that he will suddenly turn it around. The only smart thing they did all tourney was throw together the big 'ol Q line. Still think Jost should've been thrown on a line with Barzal if they were going to move anyone up.

I just don't know what they were aiming to do. Jost plays well the first few games, so to reward him, take away his PP time, and keep throwing him out there with people he has no chemistry with.
 

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Tintin had a terrible tournament...one good game doesn't change that. Doesn't matter though. Bigras is still highly regarded on here so, not sure what you talking about.

That's just silly. Most can't/won't watch any junior hockey and this is the only way they can see their prospects. Who cares if some on HF put too much value on it?

Mikko also killed it in the Semis. He had a quiet start to the tourney cause his line mates where squandering anything and everything he created; but in the latter stages (when the kid line went quiet) he really turned it up.

And Bigras's reputation outside of HFAvs was crushed by his WJC performance. Even if we were still high on him
 

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And Bigras's reputation outside of HFAvs was crushed by his WJC performance. Even if we were still high on him

Maybe to fans on HF and Reddit, but that doesn't matter. Where it matters with scouts and the hockey world, Bigras has an excellent reputation.
 

Drij

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Missed the game, but sounded like it was a good one.

I will say though I feel like the IIHF overextended themselves in these big markets

Next time they should go back to smaller venues, feels more intense and intimate and they'll
probably sell out

Really has nothing to do with location. The ticket prices where really high.
 

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I really don't understand the Canadian coaches decision to try to get Strome going. Dude was basically a PP specialist all tourney, but the coaches kept trying to give him more ice time in hopes that he will suddenly turn it around. The only smart thing they did all tourney was throw together the big 'ol Q line. Still think Jost should've been thrown on a line with Barzal if they were going to move anyone up.

I just don't know what they were aiming to do. Jost plays well the first few games, so to reward him, take away his PP time, and keep throwing him out there with people he has no chemistry with.

could it have to do with the optics of naming him (Strome) your captain and then not playing him/reducing his ice time?
 

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Mikko also killed it in the Semis. He had a quiet start to the tourney cause his line mates where squandering anything and everything he created; but in the latter stages (when the kid line went quiet) he really turned it up.

And Bigras's reputation outside of HFAvs was crushed by his WJC performance. Even if we were still high on him

Nah he had a quiet tournament because Aho,Pyjamas and Laine stole the show...while Tintin was coming off an injury. People really need to call it what it is.

As I said Bigras' reputation on HF is fine considering his style and where he was drafted. Not to mention how HF perceives a prospect is irrelevant in the hockey community.
 

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I know he started slow, he had the wrist injury and also the Avs didn't release him early so he didn't go to Finland camp and flew over there a day before the tourney started. But to say he was bad was just false. And that he had more than one good game, which just so happened to be the two most important games of the tourney. They didn't name him best player the gold medal game for nothing.
 

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To say Mikko had an average tournament is fair IMO. He did come up big when they needed it, but he wasn't great the other 5 games. His injury played a role. He is proof positive that a so-so WJC isn't the end of the world and it is okay to call a spade a spade. Jost didn't have a great tournament, nothing wrong with saying that. It seems that Jost can't have any criticism thrown his way...
 

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To say Mikko had an average tournament is fair IMO. He did come up big when they needed it, but he wasn't great the other 5 games. His injury played a role. He is proof positive that a so-so WJC isn't the end of the world and it is okay to call a spade a spade. Jost didn't have a great tournament, nothing wrong with saying that. It seems that prospects can't have any criticism thrown his way...

fixed that for you.

Although I disagree with your assessment of Jost.
 

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