2017-2018 Hawks

[Hawksfan2828]

It never ceases to amaze me that GM's never offer sheet anyone because of some sort of "code" or unspoken agreement.

I will point out that according to Wikipedia, other teams can offer 1.205 on an offer sheet with no compensation. So you would think they would need to pay him that, but no GM will offer sheet anyone, so you might be right.

Panik is a dime a dozen player... Sure, we will see if he gets that 1.2 offer, either way Bowman could match it so..... I just don't see a guy like Panik getting an offersheet..

Most teams/GM's don't offersheet guys like Panik because they have their own prospects...

Yea, offersheets are rare. Mostly because teams don't want to give up compensation + the cap hit associated... Obviously Panik doesn't fit that but still.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Call me weird but I expect Debrincat to stick for some reason.

Even if it is a 3rd line PP specialist role.

I don't see it at all...... I'm sure he will get a look but he will almost certainly play the year in Rockford, well unless he blows Q away at camp...

It's a big step from the OHL to the NHL.... I think he's going to need time in the AHL to transition (even if he is NHL ready)...

Of course if he lights up the AHL and there is nothing for him there they will go with him on the Hawks, but that is the only situation I can see where he sticks.

You gotta remember, he's going to have to play D too at the NHL level - I mean under Q that is mandatory - so, even if he does light up the AHL and his defensive game is still lacking they will keep him in the AHL until he figures that out..

 

[DPHawk]

I think ditching Kruger is the only major move we'll see. MAYBE if Crawford melts down in the playoffs but that hasn't happened in 5 seasons so I don't consider it likely

You don't count the Kings in '14 or last year against the Blues? The series against the Preds definitely counts even though he did get redemption as the playoffs went on.

 

[mikee]

You don't count the Kings in '14 or last year against the Blues? The series against the Preds definitely counts even though he did get redemption as the playoffs went on.

The Preds was a meltdown. The other two he was not at his best, but still gave the team a chance to win.

It is not possible for a goaltender to be consistently amazing throughout every playoff round every year.

 

[DPHawk]

The Preds was a meltdown. The other two he was not at his best, but still gave the team a chance to win.

It is not possible for a goaltender to be consistently amazing throughout every playoff round every year.

The Kings series was pretty brutal, terrible rebound control and 3.7 GA/G, .878 SV. I don't expect the goalie to be at the top of his game every series I'm just refuting Imapala's assertion that Crawford's only meltdown was against Phoenix.

 

[TLEH]

He's sort of overrated in my eyes. Either that or Darling is underrated. I think you get Darling the games consistently, he could really be something. I'm no goalie coach, but with that size and athleticism? He sometimes gets off his angle and his rebound control sometimes wavers, but I really think he could be better than Crawford.

 

[JaegerDice]

It never ceases to amaze me that GM's never offer sheet anyone because of some sort of "code" or unspoken agreement.

I will point out that according to Wikipedia, other teams can offer 1.205 on an offer sheet with no compensation. So you would think they would need to pay him that, but no GM will offer sheet anyone, so you might be right.

I mean it kind of makes sense. The last thing you need when you're sorting out your own cap is to have a GM you pissed off with an offer sheet is send an offer to one of your key players. Either they get him, or they get you to pay more than you wanted/planned. And most teams aren't rebuilding, they'd rather have a proven NHL player than a bag of picks that could be home-runs or strike-outs.

Rumor was, that Columbus called up Stan to let him know they were going to offer-sheet Saad for x dollars, and gave him the opportunity to make a trade for established NHL players rather than be forced to take picks. Now, had Stan known Columbus was going to fall of a cliff that season, maybe he thinks it over... though I'm not sure if anybody in the top 5 other than McDavid and Laine have shown anything amazing. Still... a shot at McDavid? You might damn well let them offer-sheet you or that, if you could see into the future.

They wouldn't risk it for Panik, though. Not worth the paper-work.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

DeBrincat-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Hartman-Schmaltz-Hayden
Hino-Kero-Panik

 

[RememberTheRoar]

It's interesting that a lot of people here see Schmaltz as the 3C next season. I figured everyone was sold on him staying on Toews' wing.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I'd much rather have Schmaltz in the top six unless somebody steps up than playing 3C.

Kruger needs to go. He's been entirely average. I'd like Kempny back, don't know if he wants to come back.

And I don't think Panik for relative cheap is anywhere near the lock some here do.

Darling is likely gone. He deserves a shot to start and he's just not gonna get it here.

Please no Rozi. Please.

 

[piteus]

I'd much rather have Schmaltz in the top six unless somebody steps up than playing 3C.

Kruger needs to go. He's been entirely average. I'd like Kempny back, don't know if he wants to come back.

And I don't think Panik for relative cheap is anywhere near the lock some here do.

Darling is likely gone. He deserves a shot to start and he's just not gonna get it here.

Please no Rozi. Please.

I think TVR and Rozy are gone next year ... and maybe Soupy. If Kempny is the #4, he should want to stay. Kruger will be traded because I think Vegas picks TVR over Kruger.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If Kempny is our #4 I think you're giving Q three other options he really doesn't like.

 

[TLEH]

I'd much rather have Schmaltz in the top six unless somebody steps up than playing 3C.

Kruger needs to go. He's been entirely average. I'd like Kempny back, don't know if he wants to come back.

And I don't think Panik for relative cheap is anywhere near the lock some here do.

Darling is likely gone. He deserves a shot to start and he's just not gonna get it here.

Please no Rozi. Please.

yep. I don't think he is back.

 

[piteus]

If Kempny is our #4 I think you're giving Q three other options he really doesn't like.

I don't think Q has much of a choice unless we make significant cap moves. We made significant time investments into Kempny and Forsling. You can't just throw that away. If Kempny listens to Q, he can make a significant amount of money on his next contract ... with or without the Hawks.

Does anyone know if Pokka is going to amount to anything or has Gus overtaken him at Rockford?

 

[piteus]

yep. I don't think he is back.

I think he will be back because well have a bit more cap flexibility. However, I think we'll lose TVR, Kruger, Soupy, Desi, Rozy, Darling, and Tootoo.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I think he will be back because well have a bit more cap flexibility. However, I think we'll lose TVR, Kruger, Soupy, Desi, Rozy, Darling, and Tootoo.

"Lose".

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I don't think Q has much of a choice unless we make significant cap moves. We made significant time investments into Kempny and Forsling. You can't just throw that away. If Kempny listens to Q, he can make a significant amount of money on his next contract ... with or without the Hawks.

Does anyone know if Pokka is going to amount to anything or has Gus overtaken him at Rockford?

The team will have some veteran retread #7 that Q likes that will play way over his head.

 

[JaegerDice]

I'd much rather have Schmaltz in the top six unless somebody steps up than playing 3C.

Kruger needs to go. He's been entirely average. I'd like Kempny back, don't know if he wants to come back.

And I don't think Panik for relative cheap is anywhere near the lock some here do.

Darling is likely gone. He deserves a shot to start and he's just not gonna get it here.

Please no Rozi. Please.

There are two players on the team with better zone-adjusted possession stats than Kruger. Panarin and Kempny. And obviously, those two don't get the kind of dungeon starts that Kruger does.

He also, absurdly, has the 3rd best xGF% on the team, for those who prefer that stat. Behind Kempny and Hartman.

Kruger may need to move simply for accounting purposes, but he's been far better than average. He's been excellent. You pair him with Hammer in a remixed Hammer/Campbell 2010 pair, and they will destroy worlds.

Also, Kempny should be our #4, at the least. His performance is so much farther ahead of TVR, Forsling, Roszival and the other options.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

I think it has more to do with how few offer sheets actually succeed and go unmatched. GMs almost always match so if you sign an offer sheet more often than not you're just wasting your time during the busy free agency period. In the rare cases where a an OS might actually work the team holding the player's rights just trades him before free agency, ala Saad.

That's the common thing you hear, but I don't know that I buy that premise. I mean there have been like 8 offer sheets in 10 years (all numbers estimated).

I think it's an under utilized tool that GM's don't use. It's a good thing for the Hawks, but I don't understand it.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

They wouldn't risk it for Panik, though. Not worth the paper-work.

What risk? There's no compensation with a 1.2 offer sheet. If I'm the blues and I like Panik I'd offer him 1.2. either you get him or the Hawks have to pay 250k more than they might otherwise. Or do you mean the risk of having the Hawks "retaliate" at some point?

 

[mikee]

The team will have some veteran retread #7 that Q likes that will play way over his head.

So... Rosi?

As long as Rozsival is willing to come back on another 600K deal the team isn't goign to find a better option than that.

 

[mikee]

What risk? There's no compensation with a 1.2 offer sheet. If I'm the blues and I like Panik I'd offer him 1.2. either you get him or the Hawks have to pay 250k more than they might otherwise. Or do you mean the risk of having the Hawks "retaliate" at some point?

Or the Hawks accept it and then trade him and the Blues still don't end up with him.

It isn't so much the retaliation that GMs worry about. They just know that if this sort of thing becomes common practice then salaries will rise among the RFA class. GMs depend on those guys being cheap.

 

[topnotch]

Panik will get his $918,750 qualifying offer and that's what he will make. I'm sure Bowman may make it a clean $925,000 or even $950,000...

Panik can elect arbitration and easily get more than that. He's 1 year away from UFA so arbitration won't be that big of a deal to him.

 

[Blue Liner]

I mean it kind of makes sense. The last thing you need when you're sorting out your own cap is to have a GM you pissed off with an offer sheet is send an offer to one of your key players. Either they get him, or they get you to pay more than you wanted/planned. And most teams aren't rebuilding, they'd rather have a proven NHL player than a bag of picks that could be home-runs or strike-outs.

Rumor was, that Columbus called up Stan to let him know they were going to offer-sheet Saad for x dollars, and gave him the opportunity to make a trade for established NHL players rather than be forced to take picks. Now, had Stan known Columbus was going to fall of a cliff that season, maybe he thinks it over... though I'm not sure if anybody in the top 5 other than McDavid and Laine have shown anything amazing. Still... a shot at McDavid? You might damn well let them offer-sheet you or that, if you could see into the future.

They wouldn't risk it for Panik, though. Not worth the paper-work.

Really?

 

[DPHawk]

That's the common thing you hear, but I don't know that I buy that premise. I mean there have been like 8 offer sheets in 10 years (all numbers estimated).

I think it's an under utilized tool that GM's don't use. It's a good thing for the Hawks, but I don't understand it.

I think it's under utilized by rivals trying to mess up another team's cap sheet but I don't think it's much of a way to build your own team. Even crazy OS likes the one Weber signed where the Preds would get 4 1sts and avoid the cap implications of that deal still gets matched.