Fistfullofbeer
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There is an outside chance that we pick Jeremy Roy.
Right D with elite offensive upside.
Using our 9th pick? I think that is not the best idea. I like Roy but we need to go BPA with our 1st round pick.
There is an outside chance that we pick Jeremy Roy.
Right D with elite offensive upside.
There are more than a few scouts who don't see Hanifin as top 5 pick, or even the top d-man in the draft, it's not just Button. I don't think his offensive upside is on par with some of the other d-men in the draft but he does project to be a possibly high end two way d-man. There are also a couple of other prospects in the draft that could project that well too though Hanifin is definitely the safest pick.
Also, you know I hate comparisons but aside from shot suppression Pietrangelo has been elite (including production) over the past couple of years so I'm not sure why that one would bother you.
It bothers me in that it's a little misleading, not that Pietrangelo isn't elite.
I would buy arguments that Kylington and Werenski have a little better offensive upside than Hanifin, but Hanifin is just so much better defensively than either that I don't see an argument for having either ahead of him.
I assume it's Provorov or Werenski that some scouts have over Hanifin, which is fine, but I just seriously disagree. Both of the first two are excellent prospects whom I would be ecstatic to have, but I haven't seen any good arguments for having them over Hanifin. I've seen people try to justify Provorov over Hanifin because of, and this is hilarious, superior skating, gap control, and hockey IQ. Literally the three things at which Hanifin is unquestionably elite.
Again, Hanifin may not have elite offensive upside, but the things he does do are so projectable to the NHL. He has the ability to dangle and drive the net. He is a great passer and has creativity. What he lacks is the confidence and authority to impose his will aggressively on the ice. That is something I think will come in time. And I'm not saying it's not important, but I think it's not a good reason to have Provorov or Werenski over him.
I'm really hoping we get Zacha... I'm drooling over a
Zacha-Hertl-Goldy line!!!
Most comparisons are misleading.
I've watched plenty of Hanifin and agree he is the top d-man in this draft but not all scouts value the same things and if someone places a lot of value on offensive upside I can see why Werenski might be the d-man they have first.
Provorov is more or less great at everything but aside from him possibly having a bit more offensive upside than Hanifin I have a hard time with that one too.
If the Sharks draft Zacha I really hope they give him the time he needs to develop as a center rather than rush him and use him on the wing.
He needs to improve some parts of his game if he's going to play C at the next level but if he "hits" he has high end top line center upside.
Again, Hanifin may not have elite offensive upside, but the things he does do are so projectable to the NHL. He has the ability to dangle and drive the net. He is a great passer and has creativity. What he lacks is the confidence and authority to impose his will aggressively on the ice. That is something I think will come in time. And I'm not saying it's not important, but I think it's not a good reason to have Provorov or Werenski over him.
Which is everything in a alpha dog sport. And its not something you really learn, you either have it or you don't.
Which is everything in a alpha dog sport. And its not something you really learn, you either have it or you don't.
I want one of Zacha, Barzal, Werenski, or Provorov. In the second I want Vande Sompel if we draft Zacha/Barzal or dergachev or Bracco if we draft a defender
Out of the 3 defenseman, which one is the most NHL-ready ?
Can someone rank them ?
Personally, I think it is still possible for the Sharks to contend in the 2016/2017 season.Hanifin and Provorov are probably both ready but I think it would be moronic to start them in the NHL. Werenski will need at least two years. This shouldn't have any impact on who you want to draft.
Personally, I think it is still possible for the Sharks to contend in the 2016/2017 season.
So how NHL-ready they are will affect how the Sharks see 'em.
Because drafting Michalek over Suter worked real well.
Personally, I think it is still possible for the Sharks to contend in the 2016/2017 season.
So how NHL-ready they are will affect how the Sharks see 'em.
There is a very low chance either of them step in and immediately become top-pairing defenseman, so it doesn't really matter how NHL-ready they are. It will take a few seasons of learning and developing further until they hit their 'ceiling', and it's not even guaranteed that they will.Personally, I think it is still possible for the Sharks to contend in the 2016/2017 season.
So how NHL-ready they are will affect how the Sharks see 'em.
There is a very low chance either of them step in and immediately become top-pairing defenseman, so it doesn't really matter how NHL-ready they are. It will take a few seasons of learning and developing further until they hit their 'ceiling', and it's not even guaranteed that they will.
I agree Hanifin will be off the board before 9th.Exactly. Adding a bottom-4 (likely bottom pairing, or even *gasp* healthy scratch) defenseman who's learning on the job will not make or break this team if it wants to compete. If DW is so incompetent that he cannot acquire a "now" bottom pairing defenseman and then decides to fill that hole with an 18 year old, then I quit.
Besides, in all likelihood, Hanifin and Provorov are gone at #9. So I don't think it's even worth thinking about.
Although now that I think about it, I bet DW would draft Crouse and then slot him into our bottom-6 this fall.