2014 NHL Entry Draft Part 3

[Em Ancien]

I remember chipchura having those elite intangibles too

The tricky part with players hyped for their intangibles is if the on-ice play is actually high caliber. Look at a guy like Colton Gillies.

 

[Quagmier]

Wonder how people would change their player evaluation if Ho-Sang had a Russian name.

I actually think Ho-Sang reminds me a bit of David Perron. The kind of talent that probably won't slip out of the 1st round despite serious questions about immaturity.

The thing about Perron was that he had all the skill in the world but was, in essence, so uncoachable in midget/junior that he had to toil in lower leagues until he finally got his act together in his draft year. His meteoric rise from Junior AAA, to the Q, to the pros in the span of two years was impressive, but likely would not have happened but for his own abrasiveness. But despite all that, Perron still had that compete level and fire that drove him to succeed, and once his brain caught up to the rest of his skillset, he flourished as an NHLer.

While Ho Sang doesn't have the same reputation off the ice, I see alot of immaturity in the way he played the game (the kid has grown up in the Youtube generation after all and was more celebrated for his stick handling than anything else). The strides he's taken in shoring up his defensive game lead me to conclude he has the ability to develop that area. Same for his off ice conditioning, which was probably never pushed on him as hard as his skill development was while growing up.

I'd still be uncomfortable if the Habs called his name on draft day, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went on to a successful NHL career.

 

[TT1]

this gives you a good idea of what our pick is worth and what we could potentially get for it

the best realistic value we could get for our pick is san jose's #51 + #53
buffalo's #31 + #61 would be +200 value over our #26, their #49 + #61 would be fair value
nashville's #42 + #72 is also fair value

if you watch this: http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722857 you can hear Jarmo Kekalainen mentioning the draft value chart when they refused a trade

so yea.. you guys shouldnt expect to get #31 + #39 or even #49 back for our 1st

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

this gives you a good idea of what our pick is worth and what we could potentially get for it

the best realistic value we could get for our pick is san jose's #51 + #53
buffalo's #31 + #61 would be +200 value over our #26, their #49 + #61 would be fair value
nashville's #42 + #72 is also fair value

if you watch this: http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722857 you can hear Jarmo Kekalainen mentioning the draft value chart when they refused a trade

so yea.. you guys shouldnt expect to get #31 + #39 or even #49 back for our 1st

that's nfl btw

 

[TT1]

that's nfl btw

did u read the link i posted?

 

[S Bah]

this gives you a good idea of what our pick is worth and what we could potentially get for it

the best realistic value we could get for our pick is san jose's #51 + #53
buffalo's #31 + #61 would be +200 value over our #26, their #49 + #61 would be fair value
nashville's #42 + #72 is also fair value

if you watch this: http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722857 you can hear Jarmo Kekalainen mentioning the draft value chart when they refused a trade

so yea.. you guys shouldnt expect to get #31 + #39 or even #49 back for our 1st

At least when Jarmo is the GM of Columbus, how much true value is represented by the 3000 players taken for their purposes. The Tyler Wright vs Pavel Bure and Wright's pick can be construed in many ways, as can the other deductions, depending upon the team drafting. The Habs having their own ideas that can be constructed over all drafts going to the 1963 draft and thousands more not including players that went the college route, very difficult to judge, more a guideline to follow each draft under pressure rather than accuracy under scrutiny IMHO. It's the old don't get caught with your pants down routine, either carry them with you or don't get caught.lol

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

did u read the link i posted?

I didn't, I read a good article somewhere that measured the complete value of NHL picks in draft trades in the past decade or so. I'll try to find it for you.

 

[S Bah]

I didn't, I read a good article somewhere that measured the complete value of NHL picks in draft trades in the past decade or so. I'll try to find it for you.

The problem being that each year the values of players change and don't match the graphs as people/athletes don't usually.

 

[TT1]

http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

this is an NHL value chart but the values are even worse for trades
Montreal's #26 is equivalent to a a midd 2nd and a late 4th

 

[yoteshot]

http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

this is an NHL value chart but the values are even worse for trades
Montreal's #26 is equivalent to a a midd 2nd and a late 4th

Ewwww

Of course a 7th takes you from 2nd to 1st lol

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Surprisingly easy to find

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up

 

[S Bah]

Surprisingly easy to find

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up

Using enough paper GM's can now have a staff doing trades for them, like NHL15 say. Imagine the teams they can put together while the GM is in the Bahama's cheering them on!

 

[TT1]

im hosting a mock speed-draft if anyones interested in signing up, no trades with only 4 hours between picks (3hours from 3 round onwards)

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1693465

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

this gives you a good idea of what our pick is worth and what we could potentially get for it

the best realistic value we could get for our pick is san jose's #51 + #53
buffalo's #31 + #61 would be +200 value over our #26, their #49 + #61 would be fair value
nashville's #42 + #72 is also fair value

if you watch this: http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722857 you can hear Jarmo Kekalainen mentioning the draft value chart when they refused a trade

so yea.. you guys shouldnt expect to get #31 + #39 or even #49 back for our 1st

This means nothing....this would depend on a million different variables...what players are in the draft....every single one....which have been taken already...who your gm is...how smart your gm is....you cant just put a number on this....if theres an elite player and trevor timmins thinks its not worth it to listen to this chart to move up.....MOVE UP

 

[Whitesnake]

This means nothing....this would depend on a million different variables...what players are in the draft....every single one....which have been taken already...who your gm is...how smart your gm is....you cant just put a number on this....if theres an elite player and trevor timmins thinks its not worth it to listen to this chart to move up.....MOVE UP

Kinda agree with you. You cannot take a chart and apply it for every year. Do people seriously believe that the #1 pick this year is equal in value than the #1 next year. Or anybody from the top 5? And then, a head scout might love WAY more a guy than the value indicates etc. And then there is of course how great or bad those guys are, the human factor.

Kekalainen has to be one of the best minds in the business and while he might have been interested to know what the chart says, it can't be his only way of thinking.

 

[Anksun]

Not à single of those charts makes sense for the nhl.

Two bottom 1st rounders can get you à top 10 pick? ... Not

 

[Freaky Habs Fan]

Any news from Grant? If was always fun to read his stuff going to the draft.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Any news from Grant? If was always fun to read his stuff going to the draft.

Haven't seen him since our mock ended.

 

[Whitesnake]

Goldobin in the 1st. Then, everybody becomes dumb and let us pick DeAngelo in the 3rd. I really can't believe that DeAngelo could drop pass mid 2nd round. I prefer you miss while picking an elite player than you miss by not picking him for other reasons unless he killed someone....

Honestly....there will be because other players will be there....but DeAngelo needs to get some serous considerations late 1st round. Beginning of the 2nd round is fine too based on size. Wonder how much people think the guy could move at the forward position.

 

[NLHabsFan]

Goldobin in the 1st. Then, everybody becomes dumb and let us pick DeAngelo in the 3rd. I really can't believe that DeAngelo could drop pass mid 2nd round. I prefer you miss while picking an elite player than you miss by not picking him for other reasons unless he killed someone....

Honestly....there will be because other players will be there....but DeAngelo needs to get some serous considerations late 1st round. Beginning of the 2nd round is fine too based on size. Wonder how much people think the guy could move at the forward position.

It seems to be a weak draft for D. Do you think that will factor into how high Sanheim may go? Or do you think others ranked in the 2nd round could sneak into the 1st if someone wants a D?

 

[NLHabsFan]

ISS has Virtanen at 7 but Button puts him at 43 on his list! I know Button is out to lunch half the time, but what's the explanation for having him so low?

 

[MD thaivuN]

ISS has Virtanen at 7 but Button puts him at 43 on his list! I know Button is out to lunch half the time, but what's the explanation for having him so low?

He projects him more as a 3rd line winger than a top six forward at the NHL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Goldobin in the 1st. Then, everybody becomes dumb and let us pick DeAngelo in the 3rd. I really can't believe that DeAngelo could drop pass mid 2nd round. I prefer you miss while picking an elite player than you miss by not picking him for other reasons unless he killed someone....

Honestly....there will be because other players will be there....but DeAngelo needs to get some serous considerations late 1st round. Beginning of the 2nd round is fine too based on size. Wonder how much people think the guy could move at the forward position.

I think that would be a draft that would piss me off. Two guys I don't really want anything to do with. I doubt we take DeAngelo on the board even in the 3rd, the guy was suspended twice for racial slurs toward his own teammates...

 

[Mathletic]

It would be interesting to know who Bergevin was targeting at #19 last year especially since Mueller was just drafted.

 

[Whitesnake]

It seems to be a weak draft for D. Do you think that will factor into how high Sanheim may go? Or do you think others ranked in the 2nd round could sneak into the 1st if someone wants a D?

Surely, there might not be top-end D available, but quite a few D with untapped potential like Pettersson, Thomas, Mayo, Irving, Jacobs, Siebnaler, and quite a few others. I think that this year won't be a year to remember....but I believe that it will still serve a purpose to fill up teams with a #4-#6 d-men.