Ian Mendes @ian_mendes 6m
Senators have just sent Mark Borowiecki back down to the AHL. There was no way they were keeping 8 defensemen up here.
Good. He clearly wasn't ready. I hope Wiercioch is getting some decent minutes if he stays up here.
Ian Mendes @ian_mendes 6m
Senators have just sent Mark Borowiecki back down to the AHL. There was no way they were keeping 8 defensemen up here.
Good. He clearly wasn't ready. I hope Wiercioch is getting some decent minutes if he stays up here.
Dont get how you could justify sitting out JOB for guys like Greening and Tendresse, him and Condra have been our most consistent players, they are our best PK forwards and generated more offence either stone hands Greening or Fatenedresse.
I like O'Brien but I'm pretty sure his ceiling is a very good 4th liner/average 3rd liner. Both Lats and Greening have higher ceilings than that. Greening has also demonstrated plenty of hustle this year so the points will come. If we're just going to use this season's goal totals and underlying PK abilities as a guide then perhaps we should sit Michalek in favor of JOB as well?
Seriously, a 3rd line of Lats - Regin - Neil could be a tremendous advantage vs. other teams' bottom six. Same with Greening - Smith - Condra as a 4th line. JOB is a terrific skater and I love him on the team if only because he was a 1st round pick (albeit a late 1st rounder) who doesn't have to fall into the "bust" category. However, I have no problem removing him from the lineup if I can inject more size/skill in the form of Lats and/or Greening.
Now if Lats continues to suck, that's another matter.......
Also, Daugavins is a good guy and a nice PK'er in his own right. But no real talent with the puck and an easily replaceable player, let's be realistic.
I like O'Brien but I'm pretty sure his ceiling is a very good 4th liner/average 3rd liner. Both Lats and Greening have higher ceilings than that. Greening has also demonstrated plenty of hustle this year so the points will come. If we're just going to use this season's goal totals and underlying PK abilities as a guide then perhaps we should sit Michalek in favor of JOB as well?
Seriously, a 3rd line of Lats - Regin - Neil could be a tremendous advantage vs. other teams' bottom six. Same with Greening - Smith - Condra as a 4th line. JOB is a terrific skater and I love him on the team if only because he was a 1st round pick (albeit a late 1st rounder) who doesn't have to fall into the "bust" category. However, I have no problem removing him from the lineup if I can inject more size/skill in the form of Lats and/or Greening.
Now if Lats continues to suck, that's another matter.......
Also, Daugavins is a good guy and a nice PK'er in his own right. But no real talent with the puck and an easily replaceable player, let's be realistic.
Did you or did you not see the play earlier in the season from Daugs to Alfie to Turris, score....
I like O'Brien but I'm pretty sure his ceiling is a very good 4th liner/average 3rd liner. Both Lats and Greening have higher ceilings than that. Greening has also demonstrated plenty of hustle this year so the points will come.
Latendress cant skate, if you havent noticed the sens are a high energy north south team he doesnt fit.
I doubt he plays unless ottawa is decimated by injuries.
O'Brien is 3 years younger and already a better player than Greening. He's not as big, strong or quick as Greening but he' got a much better set of hands and better understanding of the game imo. We've seen him play all forward positions and he gets that he's gotta go to the net to be effective, something Greening still seems to struggle with.
Personally, I think the organization missed an opportunity with JOB and he should have been kept as a defenseman. The guy has a great set of tools to be a top 4 defender. But he's turned out to be a solid center which isn't a colossal failure by any means. There's a lot more potential there than the almost 27 year old Greening.
I think you are writing off Greening just a little bit too much but I feel what you're saying. I think he should be dealt, maybe that will turn around to bite me in the ass but if he can return a solid 4/5, young established DMan then I think it should definitely be done. Something around Niskanen, Martinez, McBain, Smid, Fayne, Braun/Demers/Irwin, Sbisa, Petry... these are all guys I would look at. Also I'd love to get Jamie Oleksiak but I don't see him being dealt.
O'Brien is 3 years younger and already a better player than Greening. He's not as big, strong or quick as Greening but he' got a much better set of hands and better understanding of the game imo. We've seen him play all forward positions and he gets that he's gotta go to the net to be effective, something Greening still seems to struggle with.
Personally, I think the organization missed an opportunity with JOB and he should have been kept as a defenseman. The guy has a great set of tools to be a top 4 defender. But he's turned out to be a solid center which isn't a colossal failure by any means. There's a lot more potential there than the almost 27 year old Greening.
Latendresse will play as soon as he's healthy.
I get the Greening love, but I just don't know if his flaws are realistically curable. He's a guy who worked most of his life towards becoming a doctor rather than a pugilist. I don't know the man personally but the seems like a pacifist by nature and genuinely nice human being. The nastiness that Greening would need to somehow learn to become a dominant player probably goes against his nature.
Hopefully I'm wrong. I'd definitely trade him for almost any of the players you mentioned. Love me some McBain and Petry.
I get the Greening love, but I just don't know if his flaws are realistically curable. He's a guy who worked most of his life towards becoming a doctor rather than a pugilist. I don't know the man personally but the seems like a pacifist by nature and genuinely nice human being. The nastiness that Greening would need to somehow learn to become a dominant player probably goes against his nature.
Hopefully I'm wrong. I'd definitely trade him for almost any of the players you mentioned. Love me some McBain and Petry.
Isn't that why JOB was drafted in the 1st rd while Greening was drafted in the 6th rd & in his first yr in Ottawa worked his way to the top line something JOB has yet to do. Oh, he did the same thing in Bingo his first yr there too working up from the 4th to the first line. Ppl keep underestimating him while the coaches keep promoting him & lets not forget that he put up 37 pts in his first yr & made the allstar game or should we down play that too as being all Speedo's doing?
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Who/what is Speedo? And good god you overrate Greening. Parading his 37 points as a 26 year old rookie isn't going to change anyone's mind about him. 37 points playing on a line with a top 5 scorer (and top 10 Dman) is actually pretty horrible. He played on a line where he would rarely handle the puck. That's the best place for him on a team because he's very poor with it on his stick. If he were even remotely as good as you perceive he'd be getting lots of top 6 minutes with our rather large deficiency in that area. But without a player like Spezza around, he can't be there. He's a good soldier and useful in a lot of roles but let's not just ignore that Erik Condra has gotten top 6 ice over him and we called up a 19 year old who wasn't exactly lighting up the Ahl to take to play ahead of Colin Greening in an offensive role.
He's a 3rd/4th liner and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just too bad that he neither brings much in terms of physicality, scoring or penalty killing in that role. He kind of reminds me of Shean Donovan in many ways in that he's less than the sum of his parts.
the lines just reported at the skate this morning are crap.
Michalek Zibanejad Alfredsson
Silfverberg Turris Greening
Condra Smith Neil
O'Brien Da Costa Daugavins
In case people were wondering what the lines were
Neil took a shot in leg at practice, left ice.