Speculation: 2013 Leafs Trades, Proposals, and Free Agent Talk XVII

[Deebo]

Wonder what taking Bryzgalov's contract does to entice Philly to hand us their 11th overall? It would have to include Couturier somehow.


RDP
Strome
15th

is to NYI what

Bryz
Couturier
11th

is to Philly.

I don't think philly will move assets to rid themselves of Bryz, they have the money to buy Bryz out themselves.

 

[mydnyte]

You just traded Kessel and Gardiner for Stastny and Johnson? What? That is crap value, plus, if you are going to trade those two, why not in separate trades. You could get a lot more splitting them up.

agree... at the least he should have said Duchene rather than Stastny, at least that would be somewhat palatable,but, still not enough ...the pick would need to be upgraded too or a top prospect added.

 

[Dreakmur]

You lose Komisarek, don't forget that. Eric Johnson would be a perfect fit alongside Phaneuf. Statsny proved at the WC that he can be a top line center if he has suitable players around him. He hasn't been the same since the Avs traded Stewart. Not crap value, both are capable first line players, who are mid aged. Plus, Johnson is signed to a good cap deal. It works with the cap, improves the defense and center. There is no other way to get what the Leafs need. Besides, I think Kessel will leave via free agency once Bozak is gone. Considering that, the deal works and makes sense.

Erik Johnson would be a terrible partner for Phaneuf. Dion needs a steady and smart partner - a yin to his yang, not a twin brother.

 

[pspot]

Malkin signs for 9.5 per for 8 years
looking at his stats vs Kessel over last two season Malkin scores about 30% more than Kessel
so 70% of 9.5 is 6.65 per (which would be great)
give Kessel a little bump cause he played more and Kessel at 7 per sounds about right.

 

[mydnyte]

Malkin signs for 9.5 per for 8 years
looking at his stats vs Kessel over last two season Malkin scores about 30% more than Kessel
so 70% of 9.5 is 6.65 per (which would be great)
give Kessel a little bump cause he played more and Kessel at 7 per sounds about right.

i'd say less than the 6.65 more in the 6x5 years range ...as he is still mainly a once dimensional soft winger. elite talent, but, still one dimensional and soft.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

I'm going to be in the minority but I think to many people are ready to give away Grabovski far to early.

I believe he's going to rebound next year and we'd be silly to trade him at his lowest value.

He's still only 29 and has 4 years left on his contract which isn't that long on a contract compared to the term free agents will be looking for this summer.

Last season he was being used in a different role, was a new father which could have distracted him (ask Getzlaf about this) and had to see a specialist for a stomach issue that could have been affecting him far more then we know.

Are weakest position is C which he plays. He has an awesome work ethic and to many people have thrown him under the bus. The two previous seasons he was are most valuable center.

 

[ACC1224]

i'd say less than the 6.65 more in the 6x5 years range ...as he is still mainly a once dimensional soft winger. elite talent, but, still one dimensional and soft.

For Kessel? No chance he signs for that. It'll be closer to 8 a year than 6.

 

[Johny Drama]

Horvat is the type of C this team needs. I would absolutely love it if the Leafs can somehow manage to move up and grab him. He's the most plausible of the three you mentioned.

Going to be interesting to see where he goes. He's improved all season and seems like his stock has risen pretty quickly, but still a chance he is drafted outside the top 10. My guess, he doesnt fall past New Jersey picking at #9.

Would love to see Nonis find a way to pry another first rounder from either Calgary or Columbus.

 

[Johny Drama]

I'm going to be in the minority but I think to many people are ready to give away Grabovski far to early.

I believe he's going to rebound next year and we'd be silly to trade him at his lowest value.

He's still only 29 and has 4 years left on his contract which isn't that long on a contract compared to the term free agents will be looking for this summer.

Last season he was being used in a different role, was a new father which could have distracted him (ask Getzlaf about this) and had to see a specialist for a stomach issue that could have been affecting him far more then we know.

Are weakest position is C which he plays. He has an awesome work ethic and to many people have thrown him under the bus. The two previous seasons he was are most valuable center.

One thing I have always wondered about Grabo...his strengths are his speed and skating. He is not great on faceoffs and fairly average defensively and is more of a shooter than a passer. Why hasnt anyone moved him to the wing for a period of time? When you look at his game, would seem that he doesnt have a lot of the traits you look for in a top line center.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

For Kessel? No chance he signs for that. It'll be closer to 8 a year than 6.

If Kessel wants 8 a year I'd exploring trading him. Same with Phaneuf.

I like both Kessel and Phaneuf but neither of these players are top 20 OVERALL players in the league and not worth that money.

Nonis needs to try to sell both these players on taking a bit less so that the overall depth of the team can be great which will allow them to play on a contender for years to come and just point to the Chicago model where Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Sharp, Hossa, Keith can all fit into their cap strucutre allowing them to be a perennial contender.

On the opposite end I'd point to the Caps where Ovi (9.5), Backstrom (6.7) haven't won anything.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

One thing I have always wondered about Grabo...his strengths are his speed and skating. He is not great on faceoffs and fairly average defensively and is more of a shooter than a passer. Why hasnt anyone moved him to the wing for a period of time? When you look at his game, would seem that he doesnt have a lot of the traits you look for in a top line center.

I also believe he'd be a better winger then a center for the reasons you mentioned plus he is to erratic in his defensive zone coverage for my liking.

I don't think the Leafs had the option of doing that in the past because of how bad are center depth has been. Remember when the talk was forced to try Kessel at center not to long ago?

With Kadri having made the jump this past season and Colborne coming up next season. If we added Weiss or Ribiero it might finally be a possibility

 

[ACC1224]

If Kessel wants 8 a year I'd exploring trading him. Same with Phaneuf.

I like both Kessel and Phaneuf but neither of these players are top 20 OVERALL players in the league and not worth that money.

Nonis needs to try to sell both these players on taking a bit less so that the overall depth of the team can be great which will allow them to play on a contender for years to come and just point to the Chicago model where Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Sharp, Hossa, Keith can all fit into their cap strucutre allowing them to be a perennial contender.

On the opposite end I'd point to the Caps where Ovi (9.5), Backstrom (6.7) haven't won anything.

I'd say Kessel is top 20. If the Leafs don't pay him someone will.
Kane will get similar, if not more on his next contract.

 

[DD03]

Malkin has set the new bar.

Grreeaattt.

 

[Crafton]

Malkin has set the new bar.

Grreeaattt.

so an 800k raise throws everything out of whack?

 

[Grant]

Malkin has set the new bar.

Grreeaattt.

I was actually surprised at how little he took. Parise makes more over the first 8 years of his contract than Malkin makes in this new contract. In my opinion Malkin set the bar low.

 

[Smif]

I know everyone's saying 7-8 mill for Kessel but I'm calling 6.8 for 7 years.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

I'd say Kessel is top 20. If the Leafs don't pay him someone will.
Kane will get similar, if not more on his next contract.

Kane can get definitely get more but one of the reason why they are such a great right now is cause he doesn't.

Another example is Detroit where guys like Lidstrom, Datysuk, Zetterberg, Rafalski have always got paid very well but never at the max they could have got.

I'd pay Kessel up to 7 per year for the full 8 years but if he wants Perry money at 8.625 per year then I'd shop him. It's already starting to look like Anahiem is going to be a weaker team from both Perry/Getzlaf trying to get max dollars which means they won't be able to afford Ryan much longer.

It comes down to a question of does Kessel want to be a winner or just make as much money as possible. If he just wants to make as much as possible then is he the guy to build around.

He'd be lucky to be considered a top 20 impact player in the league cause D, C and goalies can have that much more influence on a game. Top 20 or even Top 10 offensive player sure but guys like Chara, Weber, Doughty, Quick, Toews, Crosby, etc. have a bigger influence because of what else they bring.

 

[ACC1224]

Kane can get definitely get more but one of the reason why they are such a great right now is cause he doesn't.

Another example is Detroit where guys like Lidstrom, Datysuk, Zetterberg, Rafalski have always got paid very well but never at the max they could have got.

I'd pay Kessel up to 7 per year for the full 8 years but if he wants Perry money at 8.625 per year then I'd shop him. It's already starting to look like Anahiem is going to be a weaker team from both Perry/Getzlaf trying to get max dollars which means they won't be able to afford Ryan much longer.

It comes down to a question of does Kessel want to be a winner or just make as much money as possible. If he just wants to make as much as possible then is he the guy to build around.

He'd be lucky to be considered a top 20 impact player in the league cause D, C and goalies can have that much more influence on a game. Top 20 or even Top 10 offensive player sure but guys like Chara, Weber, Doughty, Quick, Toews, Crosby, etc. have a bigger influence because of what else they bring.

Couldn't that be said for every player in the League that signs a big dollar contract?

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Couldn't that be said for every player in the League that signs a big dollar contract?

Definitely but a lot of players do take a bit less for the sake of the team.

Kessel is a damn good player and one of the best wingers in the league but he's also not a player you pay franchise money to like Crosby, Stamkos, Weber.

 

[DD03]

so an 800k raise throws everything out of whack?

No, doesn't throw everything out of whack. Just a lot of money and Phil's liking what he sees.

I was actually surprised at how little he took. Parise makes more over the first 8 years of his contract than Malkin makes in this new contract. In my opinion Malkin set the bar low.

That's a bad thing. Especially if Phil keeps producing.

 

[Kurisu]

Ricky Bobby trying to live in a perfect world where the best should always take less for the welfare of the poor/weak/lesser players.

 

[ACC1224]

Definitely but a lot of players do take a bit less for the sake of the team.

Kessel is a damn good player and one of the best wingers in the league but he's also not a player you pay franchise money to like Crosby, Stamkos, Weber.

Do they take less or is that what they're worth?
What is "franchise money", the max allowed?

 

[p.l.f.]

Buffalo is interested in the Avs 1st - the score

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Ricky Bobby trying to live in a perfect world where the best should always take less for the welfare of the poor/weak/lesser players.

Or sometimes that player simply isn't worth the money and you can move on.

Boston did already by moving on from Thornton (even though they got a bad trade return) then replacing him with Chara. Minny did already by moving on from Burns then replacing him with Sutter.

I've seen consistent complaints about what Kessel isn't the last few years and how he isn't that 1st line franchise center we need. So if he isn't that franchise player we need then we shouldn't pay him like he is one (if that is what he wants).

Around the 7 range is what I'd pay Kessel. If he wants 8+ then trade him, get assets in return and use that cap space elsewhere.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Do they take less or is that what they're worth?
What is "franchise money", the max allowed?

7.5+ is my idea of the current franchise player money.