OT: 113th Obsequious Banter Thread: 1 of 13, a baker's dozen

[Lord Defect]

Education is ultimately the key (having worked on several projects from the EU alongside the WHO etc focused on tackling the current health crisis).

So many people don't know anything about food, calories, what is healthy and what is not... heck, a lot of people who think they do don't either! And when people are educated they generally make better choices.

Food education and cooking classes should really be embedded in every school.

Still... there are serious issues once poverty rears its head in relation to being actually able to provide a healthy diet while also getting a calorie intake that will actually fuel you. Education and some good cooking skills can help that... BUT at the same time? You then have time constraints that come into view. So many families NEED to have both parents working (or the sole parent working) and taking 1 hour to prepare dinner is sometimes not an option even if you can.

And ofc food prices over the last few years have got ridiculous world-wide.

Even as someone who had a multiple year, free, education on an Olympic programme on diet etc and has cooked since I was maybe ~11 years old? And cooks probably ~680 of my 730 meals a year? And has a pretty good salary?

Some days I get ingredients for something that really should be semi-inexpensive and healthy, and just balk at the fact that unless have things in stock already it can be cheaper to go and get a takeaway!

And circling back... then? If a child has a poor diet by the time they hit teenage years (or even earlier in some studies)? Well bodies do adapt and store more fat etc... and then it is harder as an adult to be "healthier". Which is not impossible to overcome ofc, and many do, but makes things harder through really no fault of their own, but their parents choices and education.

It is a multi-faceted issue.

Home economics should definitely be brought back into schools but evolved to teach the basics of healthy foods, how to do taxes, apply for college, write a resume, how to succeed in a job interview.

Correct, what im saying is that regardless of genetics or not, if your parents/grandparents are all obese and eating certain foods, when you are a child and are eating those same foods thats informs and creates your primary food relationship and influences the foods you eat.

I agree

 

[Embiid]

Home economics should definitely be brought back into schools but evolved to teach the basics of healthy foods, how to do taxes, apply for college, write a resume, how to succeed in a job interview.

And effin basic civics...

 

[Danko]

I went to high school in one extreme and the other...i started at a highschool in an affluent area all boys catholic 95% white with tons of dollars in endowment, high ranked curriculum etc....then i screwed it up messing around and my parents sent me to a 95% black/latino public vocational high school in a low income inner city area.

The difference in curriculum was night and day, especially when it came to health/science. We spent maybe a week on the food pyramid in the public school. In the Catholic school we had an entire Health Class that taught us nutrition, medical procedures, cpr training, anatomy, osteopathic, physical therapy, cardio etc...

 

[Lord Defect]

Good luck in this individualistic anti-intellectual, counter-enlightenment society approaching diet and nutrition in a societal way like Japan which is homogeneous. Look at the reaction of the usual suspects to legislation on promoting healthier diets in school lunches. Cries of the nanny state and don't tread on my kid eating cheeseburgers has been the predictable response. Same people though that want the nanny state to ban books and reproductive health education....

Idiocracy....

No one wants to ban books and sex ed. people wanted pornographic material removed from school libraries and sex ed to stay at a proper grade

 

[Embiid]

Here we go....loaded language...."pornographic"

Pass the condoms...

 

[Lord Defect]

I went to high school in one extreme and the other...i started at a highschool in an affluent area all boys catholic 95% white with tons of dollars in endowment, high ranked curriculum etc....then i screwed it up messing around and my parents sent me to a 95% black/latino public vocational high school in a low income inner city area.

The difference in curriculum was night and day, especially when it came to health/science. We spent maybe a week on the food pyramid in the public school. In the Catholic school we had an entire Health Class that taught us nutrition, medical procedures, cpr training, anatomy, osteopathic, physical therapy, cardio etc...

To be fair, the food pyramid was wrong so the vocational school got it right /s

 

[Danko]

No one wants to ban books and sex ed. people wanted pornographic material removed from school libraries and sex ed to stay at a proper grade

This is not accurate

 

[Lord Defect]

Here we go....loaded language...."pornographic"

Pass the condoms...

Have you seen the book? There’s graphic depictions of illustrated minors performing sexual acts.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Danko]

Banned in the USA: The Growing Movement to Ban Books - PEN America

PEN America's report on school book bans offers the most comprehensive look at banned books in the 2021–22 school year, with counting more than 2,500 bans.

pen.org

 

[Lord Defect]

This is not accurate

It is. I am not going to search for the books that were banned. I saw censored pages on Twitter, I don’t want to stumble onto uncensored version on the web.

 

[Embiid]

On a more reasoned note.....glad schools are bringing back shop. Posted an article upthread..

 

[Danko]

It is. I am not going to search for the books that were banned. I saw censored pages on Twitter, I don’t want to stumble onto uncensored version on the web.

are you talking about one particular instance of something that im missing, i just shared with you data around book bans form 21-22.

 

[Embiid]

We should return to simpler times when the bra section of the Sears catalogue was spank material...

 

[Jack Straw]

Exercise especially after a certain age (middle age) has negligible impact in weight loss if your diet is poor for sure...still better to have an exercise regimen though. 30 mins of activity like walking is good..

This is nonsense. Body weight is dependent on calories in and calories out. Burn more calories than you consume and you lose weight. Consume more than you burn, you gain weight. Now, there are health issues other than weight that are related to dietary choices but the weight issue is conceptually simple. In practice, not always so simple.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Who would have a thought a story about a fat person calling other people fat would have led to this discussion.

 

[Flybynite]

I'm not going go to say that material that doesn't serve any valid purpose for students ends up in a school library or as a resource in a school.

For some unknown reason the full and unedited version of the Kevin Costner film "No Way Out" was actually one of the available movies to be shown in my high school in the early to mid 90s. Complete with the full-on Kevin Costner/Sean Young limo sex scene.

So there assuredly is material that ends up in a school that shouldn't be there... However, there is also material which may include nudity or a graphic description in a story and that actual material *DOES* serve a purpose.

Guess what. Teenagers engage in sexual acts. Sometimes UNWILLINGLY. Sometimes even before they're teenagers. So I think being able to engage someone on a realistic level is important.

Almost all of these students have seen worse already. The point is to evaluate material in a totality and not based on a specific scene or image.

I remember the graphic comic illustrated version of Anne Frank's diary being banned from some schools in the past year simply because *IN HER OWN WORDS* she describes looking at naked statues in the park and there was an image of nude statues... but obviously the more objectionable thing to the people wanting it banned is her professing interest in another female (which was originally edited out of the original release)

 

[Superman33]

Y'all are having some insanely intense conversations up in here when we've got a man ditching his wife to play golf when she's in the third trimester.

 

[Lord Defect]

Who would have a thought a story about a fat person calling other people fat would have led to this discussion.

We were overdue for a warning

 

[Embiid]

This is nonsense. Body weight is dependent on calories in and calories out. Burn more calories than you consume and you lose weight. Consume more than you burn, you gain weight. Now, there are health issues other than weight that are related to dietary choices but the weight issue is conceptually simple. In practice, not always so simple.

Counting calories is a fools errand once you reach middle age IMO....

Now if you fast...or starve yourself ...yeah....then bon apetite with the calorie counting. I don't bother though too much with it....conscious but not running on a treadmill for 2 hours to burn off a Mr Goodbar I might have eaten...

I do a cardio and weights regimen....it has kept me stable...but middle age has been a bitch losing weight.

Who would have a thought a story about a fat person calling other people fat would have led to this discussion.

Lizzo is toxic like her diet...

 

[Lord Defect]

I'm not going go to say that material that doesn't serve any valid purpose for students ends up in a school library or as a resource in a school.

For some unknown reason the full and unedited version of the Kevin Costner film "No Way Out" was actually one of the available movies to be shown in my high school in the early to mid 90s. Complete with the full-on Kevin Costner/Sean Young limo sex scene.

So there assuredly is material that ends up in a school that shouldn't be there... However, there is also material which may include nudity or a graphic description in a story and that actual material *DOES* serve a purpose.

Guess what. Teenagers engage in sexual acts. Sometimes UNWILLINGLY. Sometimes even before they're teenagers. So I think being able to engage someone on a realistic level is important.

Almost all of these students have seen worse already. The point is to evaluate material in a totality and not based on a specific scene or image.

I remember the graphic comic illustrated version of Anne Frank's diary being banned from some schools in the past year simply because *IN HER OWN WORDS* she describes looking at naked statues in the park and there was an image of nude statues... but obviously the more objectionable thing to the people wanting it banned is her professing interest in another female (which was originally edited out of the original release)

I believe I was on the side of banned that book was stupid.
There is no place inside any school, including college for explicit materials.
The books I was referring to, I believe there were about 20, were explicit illustrations of children having sex either with other children or with adults. They were aimed at young children, not teenagers.
When parents went to school board meetings and either read pieces or shown illustrations of the books in the schools library, the parents were removed from the meeting.

 

[Tripod]

Update: mother in law not getting surgery today. But has her own room in hospital until she does.

 

[Jack Straw]

Counting calories is a fools errand once you reach middle age IMO....

Now if you fast...or starve yourself ...yeah....then bon apetite with the calorie counting. I don't bother though too much with it....conscious but not running on a treadmill for 2 hours to burn off a Mr Goodbar I might have eaten...

I do a cardio and weights regimen....it has kept me stable...but middle age has been a bitch losing weight.

Oh, I'm not suggesting that everyone should start counting calories but it can be useful to be aware of what's going on. Garmin has some nice tools for logging your exercise that can give you a general idea of how many calories you're burning.

Losing weight as you get older can become tougher for a number of reason but the benefit of exercise remains. Maybe even becomes more important when it comes to other health issues aside from weight. But as you get older your body doesn't repair tissue damage as quickly (unless you're using anabolic steroids, not recommended) so it usually takes longer to recover. Also lifestyle changes generally mean we're just less active than we were.

 

[Lindberg]

Why does everyone always revert back to grade school when it comes to learning?

If anyone is interested in a subject you can easily fire up youtube/etc. and learn until your heart is content. If you're over 30 you've pretty much spent more of your life out of school than in school (excluding college).

As I said before we live in the golden age of information. Anything you want to learn about is readily available to you. Anything. Biochemistry / Sports medicine / Non linear control theory. Whatever, it's out there and it's pretty much all free besides some small slivers of things.

I once had to drop the unfortunate to news to an intern before i got canned at my last job. He was essentially begging for a mentor. I told him "you're not going to find that and you'll need to challenge yourself". That was a pretty enlightening moment that I made personally far too late in life.

 

[Danko]

What if people are made fat because of aliens.